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      05-19-2013, 07:39 AM   #1
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Wagner FMIC fitted 335d (LCI) - Reviewed

Well I got the Wagner fitted on Friday. Although I toldf the garage they didn't need to remove the bumper, they decided to anyway. All in all it was 60 minutes from when it went on the ramps to when it came off again with 2 mechanics working on it. There was no cutting involved and they had not fitted a Wagner before. I sourced the Wagner and asked if they would kit the FMIC of my choice and that's what happened. Interestingly was that I gave them the information on the FMIC and the link to the website for Wagner and the price I paid the Garage was the same as I would have paid just to get the FMIC As I am one to air on the side of caution, I also gave them new seals for the FMIC pipes as I thought I may as well change them if they are being disturbed. The owner of the Garage, which are tuning specialists, saad the the Wagner was a very well built FMIC and looked to be designed well too.

So how does it feel ?

At first I was a bit disappointed as it felt no different, then as the engine got fully up to temp, it started to feel like there was a bit more of a delay in the power delivery. So I then spent 30 miles of rather enthusiastic down shifting and booting it. A few stops in laybys and booting it out of them. To be honest it what I do every weekend in it anyway

I then started to notice that it wasn't feeling laggy at all and that the low down torque felt stronger and I could get away with changing gear higher up the rev band without being punished by the power dropping when I shift a bit later than I would like. Mid range the power is stronger too. So all in all once the ECU adapts to the new FMIC there is a definately improvement all round in performance and when booting is from a standstill the power delivery is definately stronger and the push into the seat is more forceful than before.

So yes I am very pleased I had it done.....the only downside was that on the next day when I used my screen washers for the first time, both covers on the headlight washers flew off and I have had to order them form BMW and get the body shop to colour code them for me and this is to the tune of £120 !!!!!!!!!!

Also, looking as the front grille, there is a web of plastic that the rubber seal on the OEM FMIC clipped on that looks a bit odd......I have drilled loads of 10mm holes in it through the holes in the front grill, to let some more air get to the new FMIC through. I don't know if this can be removed or if it makes any difference anyway.

I tried removing the bumper this morning to see what I could do but the last bolt on each side near the headlight is impossible to get to and on the one side I did start to loosen it on, I did it back up before it came out as it suddenly dawned on me that I was never in a million years going to be able to get that screw back in again !!

Does anyone have any tips on reaching the last bolt on each side of the bumper where the headlights are ?
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You need a bespoke remap to really take advantage of the fmic.

Is the Wagner intercooler recommended for 335d? Getting the best intercooler is an exacting science (pressure drops on larger coolers can actually sap power/torque).
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You need a bespoke remap to really take advantage of the fmic.

Is the Wagner intercooler recommended for 335d? Getting the best intercooler is an exacting science (pressure drops on larger coolers can actually sap power/torque).

I have the DMS remap already. and yes this FMIC is designed specifically for the 335D
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S I have had to order them form BMW and get the body shop to colour code them for me and this is to the tune of £120 !!!!!!!!!!
Wow .. !! ..

Less than half the price --> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-E92-E9...item19dbe78356

I've bought 2 in the past ..perfect match
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Wow .. !! ..

Less than half the price --> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-E92-E9...item19dbe78356

I've bought 2 in the past ..perfect match
Thanks for the link. I will call BMW on Monday and see if I can cancel the order
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Your remap won't be designed for FMIC applications. You should have the map re tweeked now the bespoke inter cooler is on. You'll definitely see more power as a result
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Your remap won't be designed for FMIC applications. You should have the map re tweeked now the bespoke inter cooler is on. You'll definitely see more power as a result
I don't want anymore power, just wanted to reduce heatsoak and "preserve" power. I am already at about 370BHP amd 750 NM and anymore will be asking for problems

I am more than happy with the changes I have noticed with the Wagner already, so I don't feel the need to changed the map at all
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Well I must say I was surprised with so little interest in this post........
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What you have done is Way too expensive for very little gain.

You may in your opinion have done it to protect your turbos, thats up for debate.

You are also outside many peoples scope. 90% of shite that goes on this forum is based around what wheel spacers are best, the endless and now very boring subject of rft over normal tyres which has been done more times than katie price, what colour car is best. You get my drift.
There are some on here that are serious and serious about tuning but most are based on what's available in halfords.

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What you have done is Way too expensive for very little gain.

You may in your opinion have done it to protect your turbos, thats up for debate.

You are also outside many peoples scope. 90% of shite that goes on this forum is based around what wheel spacers are best, the endless and now very boring subject of rft over normal tyres which has been done more times than katie price, what colour car is best. You get my drift.
There are some on here that are serious and serious about tuning but most are based on what's available in halfords.
Disagree with some but not all of what you've posted: But you seem quite bitter about the whole thing. Why not simply leave the forum and not come back, if it's filled with such dross?

I do care about tuning quite alot, but for no performance gains am not sure why you'd upgrade the intercooler to be honest. I'd be interested in proper evidence of the improvements. For example lap time averages over 10 or 20 laps both before and after the FMIC, same driver same track same conditions. Because I'm sure in that scenario the benefits will become obvious. But points win prizes of course which is why so many remap outfits lie or skew their HP figures so much. Most aren't interested in anything more than that.

The OP has also suffered somewhat by posting the topic in the correct section. As this part of E90post is more or less without moderator now; A vast number of people just dump everything directly into the general forum. To the point that the technical forum is not frequented by barely any of the 'regular' members any more. Putting this up in just the 'UK' board would've garnered far more attention. Even though that would make this topic 'part of the problem'.

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Disagree with some but not all of what you've posted: But you seem quite bitter about the whole thing. Why not simply leave the forum and not come back, if it's filled with such dross?
There are decent tit bits here and there .. but the amount of crap you have to sift through is unbeleivable.

I've asked a bunch of semi technical questions in the technical arena and really zero answers , i'm not alone in that either and you are right it's almost a waste of time and should seek out elsewhere.

This site does have a good classifieds compared to others .. all uk based which makes the difference

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I do care about tuning quite alot,
There are a few bods on here that do care , I never said the site is full of halfordetts but these people far outweigh serious modders.
In any case this is detracting from the original OP's statement , i'm not really up for a flaming session .. far too busy earning a pittance !

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The OP has also suffered somewhat by posting the topic in the correct section.
Totally agree and it's a shame as he's obviously spent a lot of money and time and wishes to share the experience and sounds like he's getting the same impression I have of this forum.
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If you have 335d related technical questions then I suggest you ask them here:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=377
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There are decent tit bits here and there .. but the amount of crap you have to sift through is unbeleivable.

I've asked a bunch of semi technical questions in the technical arena and really zero answers , i'm not alone in that either and you are right it's almost a waste of time and should seek out elsewhere.

This site does have a good classifieds compared to others .. all uk based which makes the difference



There are a few bods on here that do care , I never said the site is full of halfordetts but these people far outweigh serious modders.
In any case this is detracting from the original OP's statement , i'm not really up for a flaming session .. far too busy earning a pittance !



Totally agree and it's a shame as he's obviously spent a lot of money and time and wishes to share the experience and sounds like he's getting the same impression I have of this forum.

I see no flaming at all from you there, a considered response to a legitimate question. All good content really, but perhaps in the wrong topic yes
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335dee......one mans crap is another mans treasure.
Not everyone wants to, or can afford to be playing with fancy diffs, meth and big turbos, that doesn't mean they are any less an enthusiast though.
A forum is for everyone and cannot simply contain hard core tuning threads.
I would suggest hardcore tuning threads are in the minority because not many people are hardcore tuners, the boring threads as you call them are probably not boring for others or they would die a death....as would the forum.
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If you have 335d related technical questions then I suggest you ask them here:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=377
oooh didn't know about this one! Cheers!
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least my post opened up some for of "debate"

I personally, like to mod my cars with a touch of Carbon here and there on the outside to acheive what I believe is more asthetically pleasing( I don't like extreme cosmetic modding but as they say each to their own) and as much performance modding as I can afford to get the most enjoyable experiece form my car when I plant my right foot into the carpet for a few seconds.

With regards to this posts topic, I actually was very happy with the cost of the Wagner FMIC as I had it supplied and fitted for less than I could buy it direct form Wagner for. Perfomance wise, I have over 100 miles covered since it was fitted now and can say the difference is noticible to the "Butt Dyno" especially on the speed the torque kicks in stronger lower down the rev band in day to day driving as well as more forceful accelleration through the midrange and definately feeling less asthmatic between 4k - 5k rpm, so if I donlt get my gearchange in at 4krpm when driving hard, it doesn't matter anywhere near as much as the power does not start to fade like it did before. So yes I am happy with the Wagner and what it gave me.

I was running 360BHP before I had the CKS Straight through exhaust fitted (which gave faster spool up low down) and the Wagner fitted. I would hazzard a guess that combined these 2 mods may have increased this a bit, maybe 25BHP but knowing that before any mods were done to my car it was running 278BHP, I think I have done pretty well in developing an exciting to drive and fast car that surprises may powerful petrol cars on the road in the "Traffic Light Grand Prix" etc.

Oh yes, one more thing I have noticed now that I had settled back to normal driving form the initial excitment of the wagner being fitted last Fridy is that the MPG seem higher.....I wasn't expecting that, so will watch that with interest as I am off to Santa Pod this weekend for the Top Fuel Dragsters......maybe I could take them on on the Qtr Mile strip
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least my post opened up some for of "debate"

I personally, like to mod my cars with a touch of Carbon here and there on the outside to acheive what I believe is more asthetically pleasing( I don't like extreme cosmetic modding but as they say each to their own) and as much performance modding as I can afford to get the most enjoyable experiece form my car when I plant my right foot into the carpet for a few seconds.

With regards to this posts topic, I actually was very happy with the cost of the Wagner FMIC as I had it supplied and fitted for less than I could buy it direct form Wagner for. Perfomance wise, I have over 100 miles covered since it was fitted now and can say the difference is noticible to the "Butt Dyno" especially on the speed the torque kicks in stronger lower down the rev band in day to day driving as well as more forceful accelleration through the midrange and definately feeling less asthmatic between 4k - 5k rpm, so if I donlt get my gearchange in at 4krpm when driving hard, it doesn't matter anywhere near as much as the power does not start to fade like it did before. So yes I am happy with the Wagner and what it gave me.

I was running 360BHP before I had the CKS Straight through exhaust fitted (which gave faster spool up low down) and the Wagner fitted. I would hazzard a guess that combined these 2 mods may have increased this a bit, maybe 25BHP but knowing that before any mods were done to my car it was running 378BHP, I think I have done pretty well in developing an exciting to drive and fast car that surprises may powerful petrol cars on the road in the "Traffic Light Grand Prix" etc.

Oh yes, one more thing I have noticed now that I had settled back to normal driving form the initial excitment of the wagner being fitted last Fridy is that the MPG seem higher.....I wasn't expecting that, so will watch that with interest as I am off to Santa Pod this weekend for the Top Fuel Dragsters......maybe I could take them on on the Qtr Mile strip
Sounds like you got a good deal with your FMIC, and if you are happy with the results, then all is good in my book.

You are right in saying that everyone is very different when it comes to modifying their cars.

At the end of the day, its your car and you do what you want to it. Some people like to make small changes to make their car their own, others like to completely beast out their engine.. Some do both, some do neither..

For me, I want to keep my E92 SE standard looking. I love how subtle it is from the outside..

If you pull up to the lights in an M3, most people know what it is. When I pull up to the lights in a subtle looking E92 SE, no one pays too much attention which is what I like.. Again, this is personal preference.. Some people like to be in your face, others like to plod along..

Most people are happy with a simple remap on their 335d's, so I hope you get to have a blast down the strip with your car running as much power as you claim.

I will keep an eye on this thread and look forward to some of your 1/4 mile times
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I don't think this forum was a "proper hardcore" tuning one. Well, when I first joined, there wasn't even a "technical" section! However, Tony was very "present" and helped us with many technical question.

Compared to other forums like the Type R one, where the technical section is sub divided further down into suspension, engine, wheels and tyres sections, faq, etc.


I miss the great car reviews!
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Unless your exhaust work removed a DPF that was there in the "before" numbers then I have strong doubts that exhaust and fmic = 25bhp.

It's achievably if the exhaust work included a DPF delete though

Would like to see a real dyno output!
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Would like to see a real dyno output!
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Would also like to see a dyno print. And a list of your mods to see 375 BHP. I want that sort of power in my 335d. 320 BHP is fine, 50 BHP more would be nicer though.
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Ecotune dpf delete, 378 bhp & 548lb ft today , no other mods apart from k&n and straight through exhaust.. Its a fckin animal
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