[cc_bavarian]

Hahaha! Which ever the case, can't escape being raped!

Anyway, I walked over to wanchai to have a look at the F30 in person. I still do not like the front end. I still like the LCI E90 better. But everything else (appearance) looks good. The interior does not look/feel cheap anymore. Interior build quality just like the older E36/E46 brothers with current designs. I can definitely wait out for the specials before the LCI model.

By the way does the F30 328i N20 engine have the same "wimpy" sound as the E90 320i N46B20 engine since both are I4?

Originally Posted by clarence

For cars with no options, u're raped by FRT. For cars with options, u're raped by BMWHK & FRT.

[ny911]

Originally Posted by cc_bavarian

Hahaha! Which ever the case, can't escape being raped!

Anyway, I walked over to wanchai to have a look at the F30 in person. I still do not like the front end. I still like the LCI E90 better. But everything else (appearance) looks good. The interior does not look/feel cheap anymore. Interior build quality just like the older E36/E46 brothers with current designs. I can definitely wait out for the specials before the LCI model.

By the way does the F30 328i N20 engine have the same "wimpy" sound as the E90 320i N46B20 engine since both are I4?

But I think the interior is inferior to E9x or E8x.

[JohnMan]

As I said, not such a good idea to buy a F30 right now...unless $$$ is not a big concern, hehehe.

[cc_bavarian]

For me, I'm not impressed with the E90 interior quality of lining after I tried to replace the interior dome lighting. Also the rubber coating on parts of the steering wheel and driver door coin pocket has peeled away. The plastic on the sides of the center console scratches easily from the seat belt buckle (driver/passenger).

Originally Posted by ny911

But I think the interior is inferior to E9x or E8x.

[E93DT]

Originally Posted by ny911

We are not as generous as you ar ma.

You are too modest ....!

[clarence]

Originally Posted by akhter

Is 6000 for only rear camera or surround camera? Any idea how much for surround camera?

Also how much is HUD?

Surround view is $9k+frt on top of rear cam.
HUD is $13.6k+frt.

[cc_bavarian]

Damn that "Friggin' Retarded Tax" again!

Originally Posted by clarence

Surround view is $9k+frt on top of rear cam.
HUD is $13.6k+frt.

[clarence]

Originally Posted by oda

with the pricing of the new 3, i would rather get a 528i 535i than the 3, discounted 5GT's are 660k and A7 3.0T is only 750k (2011 stocks), why buy a 335 at 770k? the pricing is outrageous!

If u spec a 535i to 335i Sport Line's level of equipment then it'll be way way over $800k. Those 5GT & A7 are wht they are, 2011 stocks. The A7 only have 4 seat belts & the 5GT is a big heavy beast with bad packaging.
I tried the F10 5er (both 528i N20 & 535i) & found it very underwhelming. The body is simply too heavy & on standard suspension the handling feels quite bulky.
At the end I choose the 328i over 528i cos there's still a $60k difference however I spec it with options & the measuring tape (plus personal testing) told me difference in rear space is negligible.

[clarence]

Originally Posted by cc_bavarian

By the way does the F30 328i N20 engine have the same "wimpy" sound as the E90 320i N46B20 engine since both are I4?

Tried it in the 528i & the sound is good & solid for a 4 pot.

[akhter]

If you think we are getting r4ped, then look at Japan prices:

http://www.bmw.co.jp/jp/ja/newvehicl...om/prices.html

JPY 5,428,571 for base (non-Sport) 328i = 540k HKD compared to 487k HKD here. The only option included is Navigation that HK doesn't include but no sunroof which is an option in Japan.

And get this--this is the tax free price in Japan (they don't have FRT) but only a 5% sales tax. If you factor in all thier taxes and registration costs, the price is 5.7m JPY or 535k for a non-Sport line 328i.

[clarence]

Originally Posted by akhter

If you think we are getting r4ped, then look at Japan prices:

http://www.bmw.co.jp/jp/ja/newvehicl...om/prices.html

JPY 5,428,571 for base (non-Sport) 328i = 540k HKD compared to 487k HKD here. The only option included is Navigation that HK doesn't include but no sunroof which is an option in Japan.

And get this--this is the tax free price in Japan (they don't have FRT) but only a 5% sales tax. If you factor in all thier taxes and registration costs, the price is 5.7m JPY or 535k for a non-Sport line 328i.

That's cos their prices didn't go down with their exchange rates. On the other hand, it's eligible for abt JPY250k worth of Eco Car tax rebates, plus their options are only taxed at 5% VAT.
We are raped if u compare our pricing with those in USA, & our option pricing are way way above those in EU or GB. As I said before, if we don't add options then we're raped by the FRT, but if we do add options then we're raped by both the FRT & BMWHK.

[akhter]

Originally Posted by clarence

That's cos their prices didn't go down with their exchange rates. On the other hand, it's eligible for abt JPY250k worth of Eco Car tax rebates, plus their options are only taxed at 5% VAT.
We are raped if u compare our pricing with those in USA, & our option pricing are way way above those in EU or GB. As I said before, if we don't add options then we're raped by the FRT, but if we do add options then we're raped by both the FRT & BMWHK.

Having bought a car from BMW japan, its very rare for anyone to order options there. They have a huge inventory and give a discount for cars that are in inventory. When I bought my 335i M Sport, the only option I wanted to add was logic hifi which was 70k JPY but it would have wiped a 500k discount and end up costing me almost 600k for that one option...

Regardless its still crazy that the price is higher in Japan without FRT...

[clarence]

Originally Posted by akhter

Having bought a car from BMW japan, its very rare for anyone to order options there. They have a huge inventory and give a discount for cars that are in inventory. When I bought my 335i M Sport, the only option I wanted to add was logic hifi which was 70k JPY but it would have wiped a 500k discount and end up costing me almost 600k for that one option...

Regardless its still crazy that the price is higher in Japan without FRT...

In that case, their pricing will be closer than ours if they have lots of cars in stock & have to give discounts.

[ny911]

Originally Posted by clarence

If u spec a 535i to 335i Sport Line's level of equipment then it'll be way way over $800k. Those 5GT & A7 are wht they are, 2011 stocks. The A7 only have 4 seat belts & the 5GT is a big heavy beast with bad packaging.
I tried the F10 5er (both 528i N20 & 535i) & found it very underwhelming. The body is simply too heavy & on standard suspension the handling feels quite bulky.
At the end I choose the 328i over 528i cos there's still a $60k difference however I spec it with options & the measuring tape (plus personal testing) told me difference in rear space is negligible.

Haha, but 5GT is a good and cheap substitute of 7 Series.

With its standard equipments on HK spec's 535i GT Executive, it would cost about 620k if I adding up all of them on a F10 528i. Therefore I deposited for one of the leftovers.

[clarence]

Originally Posted by ny911

Haha, but 5GT is a good and cheap substitute of 7 Series.

With its standard equipments on HK spec's 535i GT Executive, it would cost about 620k if I adding up all of them on a F10 528i. Therefore I deposited for one of the leftovers.

I found the GT too heavy. The Exec was good until they don't allow any custom orders as it needs Adaptive Drive to sort out it's ride & handling.

[ny911]

Originally Posted by clarence

I found the GT too heavy. The Exec was good until they don't allow any custom orders as it needs Adaptive Drive to sort out it's ride & handling.

How useful is the Adaptive Drive? But this option costs almost 80k. I might just get a 550i GT instead if my budget is that much.

[clarence]

Originally Posted by ny911

How useful is the Adaptive Drive? But this option costs almost 80k. I might just get a 550i GT instead if my budget is that much.

Very useful cos it has VDC+active ARBs. The problem w/F10 & F07 is that on standard suspension the car feels quite reluctant to turn-in due to the weight. Wht's worse is the rear air-springs on the F07 is tuned quite stiff & so the ride is not so smooth. M-sport suspension sorts out the handling problem but for the final solution one would need Adaptive Drive. Theoretically if u buy a GT Exec & spec it with Adaptive Drive, it'll cost more or less the same as the 5-seater regular model GT, which is still much cheaper than 550i GT.
As for the 550i GT, I wouldn't really bother with it as depreciation will be horrendous & it still rides only on standard suspension. If u can budget over $1m then I'd rather pay a bit more for a 740Li Vantage.

[ny911]

Originally Posted by clarence

Very useful cos it has VDC+active ARBs. The problem w/F10 & F07 is that on standard suspension the car feels quite reluctant to turn-in due to the weight. Wht's worse is the rear air-springs on the F07 is tuned quite stiff & so the ride is not so smooth. M-sport suspension sorts out the handling problem but for the final solution one would need Adaptive Drive. Theoretically if u buy a GT Exec & spec it with Adaptive Drive, it'll cost more or less the same as the 5-seater regular model GT, which is still much cheaper than 550i GT.
As for the 550i GT, I wouldn't really bother with it as depreciation will be horrendous & it still rides only on standard suspension. If u can budget over $1m then I'd rather pay a bit more for a 740Li Vantage.

I haven't test drive any F07 so far, but the F10 does handle as well as the E60. I reckon myself is an average driver, but I was smoked by (not really smoke, but I couldn't overtake him easily) my fd's F10 523i with my Z4 3.0si Coupe on the way to Shek O. If the standard F10 could do this, I believe F07 wouldn't disappoint me too much.

[clarence]

Originally Posted by ny911

I haven't test drive any F07 so far, but the F10 does handle as well as the E60. I reckon myself is an average driver, but I was smoked by (not really smoke, but I couldn't overtake him easily) my fd's F10 523i with my Z4 3.0si Coupe on the way to Shek O. If the standard F10 could do this, I believe F07 wouldn't disappoint me too much.

I found the E60 handled better than the F10, it may have less grip but it's might lighter on it's feet.
When I tested the Z4 coupe a few yrs ago at BMW's Tamar event, it wasn't at all easy to drive fast & the car felt twitchy.

[Minichamps]

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t/viewall.html

[ny911]

Originally Posted by clarence

I found the E60 handled better than the F10, it may have less grip but it's might lighter on it's feet.
When I tested the Z4 coupe a few yrs ago at BMW's Tamar event, it wasn't at all easy to drive fast & the car felt twitchy.

The Z4C is much easier to drive than the 1M.

Anyway, I would see and report how bad the F07 is comparing with other BMWs.

[clarence]

Originally Posted by ny911

Anyway, I would see and report how bad the F07 is comparing with other BMWs.

Didn't u test b4 putting down deposit?