What's going on with Castrol Edge?

johnscales · 09-13-2015, 02:31 PM

Hi all.

So I go to buy my usual Castrol Edge 5w30 from my usual supplier for my 335i and they say that they only have 0w30.
Not wanting to change from what I've always had in the engine I ask if they can order some in and am told that they have it but it's not Castrol.
Off to somewhere that I can see for myself on the shelf and blow me down Castrol Edge 5w30 does indeed no longer say "BMW" on the list of cars for which it is suitable. 0w30 however does.
Seems as though I have to make the change which I'm not really happy about but will do. I gather that there shouldn't be much change unless startup them is a lot colder than with the 05w30 but that at operating temperature they should be the same. Is that about right?
Also I'm not really willing to change brands or to another type (Magnatec for example) in order to get 5w30.
Just wondered about othe people's thoughts on this And whether we should be concerned in the least.
Also surprised that I haven't read any threads on this change. I can't be the only person to have run into this?

avocet · 09-13-2015, 04:15 PM

They make a few different oils in the edge lineup. The edge you want is professional ll01.

It is available in both 0w30 and 5w30.

Eagle1oh7 · 09-13-2015, 04:18 PM

Just go with Motul XCESS LL01, it's 5W-40 though. I'm running it right now then I'm going to send in a sample for analysis when it comes time to do a change. So far nothing bad, it is BMW approved and costs slightly more than the stuff with the BMW logo on it.

ashmostro · 09-13-2015, 05:21 PM

Bmw has officially changed its oil supplier to shell from castrol. That's likely the reason for the branding change on castrol product.

ilicboris · 09-14-2015, 01:14 AM

I don't think the Castrol Edge 5W-30 was ever BMW approved. I don't recall ever seeing their name on the package when I ran it in my 545i a few times.

ashmostro · 09-14-2015, 03:45 AM

European formula 0w30 was. I used to buy it off of Amazon. Just switched to the new shell stuff.

avocet · 09-14-2015, 08:23 AM

being ll01 means it meets the BMW spec for long life additives. It has nothing to do if it is a supplier to the manufacturer.

VTECaddict · 09-14-2015, 12:10 PM

I believe the UK specs LL-04 oil since the sulfur content in the fuel is lower. I can't say what happened to the Castrol Edge 5w30 over there, but here in the US the LL-01 approved Castrol Edge 0w30 became 0w40.

mike@x-ph.com · 09-14-2015, 12:59 PM

Not sure why they stopped making it ... i have always used Edge 0w30, never had a problem

Seattlesquash · 09-14-2015, 09:25 PM

Now I feel like I am ahead of the game, been running Pennzoil ultra forever, which I believe is the U.S. Sold version of Shell ultra, or platinum. Lucky me!

MiniXP · 09-15-2015, 07:45 AM

I don't think I ever saw castrol 5w-30 being LL-01. I use the 0w-40 European formula which is ll01 approved.

PhaseP · 09-15-2015, 09:24 AM

OP is in UK

Blackhawk36 · 09-15-2015, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by VTECaddict

I believe the UK specs LL-04 oil since the sulfur content in the fuel is lower. I can't say what happened to the Castrol Edge 5w30 over there, but here in the US the LL-01 approved Castrol Edge 0w30 became 0w40.

LL-04 is spec for BMW diesels.

VTECaddict · 09-15-2015, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackhawk36

LL-04 is spec for BMW diesels.

Here in the US, yes. In the EU LL-04 is used for gas and diesel models.

KNS · 09-15-2015, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by avocet

being ll01 means it meets the BMW spec for long life additives. It has nothing to do if it is a supplier to the manufacturer.

"PROFESSIONAL" - What the hell is that supposed to mean? It's like those truck commercials "Professional Grade" Oooh - really? It's a pick up. I think the marketing people are running out of catchy adjectives.

xcusem3 · 09-15-2015, 08:08 PM

Gents, approx three months ago BMW partnered with Shell for their fuels and oils, which is why you won't see BMW on any Castrol products anymore. I'm due for an oil change soon but as a long time Castrol user I don't know which brand I'm going to switch to. All I know is I won't be putting that crap from the dealer in my car. Suggestions?

RedRaiderDavid · 09-15-2015, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by xcusem3

All I know is I won't be putting that crap from the dealer in my car. Suggestions?

To the best of my knowledge that crap from the dealer is their preferred oil supplier of the year in a BMW bottle whether it be Mobil 1, Castrol, Shell or whatever. I have no problem with it because it saves me the problem of chasing down BMW certified oil and in the case of one of the dealers locally its the same if not a bit cheaper than the other brands. Bottom line, BMW doesn't make oil.

VTECaddict · 09-15-2015, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by xcusem3

Gents, approx three months ago BMW partnered with Shell for their fuels and oils, which is why you won't see BMW on any Castrol products anymore. I'm due for an oil change soon but as a long time Castrol user I don't know which brand I'm going to switch to. All I know is I won't be putting that crap from the dealer in my car. Suggestions?

Their current partner has nothing to do with LL-01 or LL-04 spec approval. If you love Castrol, then stick with Castrol. Castrol Edge 0w40 is BMW LL-01 approved and sold at Walmart for ~$22 for a 5qt jug.

b1mmr · 09-15-2015, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by VTECaddict

Quote:

Originally Posted by xcusem3

Gents, approx three months ago BMW partnered with Shell for their fuels and oils, which is why you won't see BMW on any Castrol products anymore. I'm due for an oil change soon but as a long time Castrol user I don't know which brand I'm going to switch to. All I know is I won't be putting that crap from the dealer in my car. Suggestions?

Their current partner has nothing to do with LL-01 or LL-04 spec approval. If you love Castrol, then stick with Castrol. Castrol Edge 0w40 is BMW LL-01 approved and sold at Walmart for ~$22 for a 5qt jug.

This.. It's on the back in small print towards the bottom.. M1 0 40 for me

xcusem3 · 09-16-2015, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian_N54

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTECaddict

Quote:

Originally Posted by xcusem3

Gents, approx three months ago BMW partnered with Shell for their fuels and oils, which is why you won't see BMW on any Castrol products anymore. I'm due for an oil change soon but as a long time Castrol user I don't know which brand I'm going to switch to. All I know is I won't be putting that crap from the dealer in my car. Suggestions?

Their current partner has nothing to do with LL-01 or LL-04 spec approval. If you love Castrol, then stick with Castrol. Castrol Edge 0w40 is BMW LL-01 approved and sold at Walmart for ~$22 for a 5qt jug.

This.. It's on the back in small print towards the bottom.. M1 0 40 for me

Good to know thx guys

Efthreeoh · 09-23-2015, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xcusem3

Gents, approx three months ago BMW partnered with Shell for their fuels and oils, which is why you won't see BMW on any Castrol products anymore. I'm due for an oil change soon but as a long time Castrol user I don't know which brand I'm going to switch to. All I know is I won't be putting that crap from the dealer in my car. Suggestions?

LOL. I've been using the "crap" from the dealer for nearly 300,000 miles.

09-13-2015, 02:31 PM	#1
johnscales Private First Class 26 Rep 118 Posts Drives: 335i MSport Join Date: May 2013 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	What's going on with Castrol Edge? Hi all. So I go to buy my usual Castrol Edge 5w30 from my usual supplier for my 335i and they say that they only have 0w30. Not wanting to change from what I've always had in the engine I ask if they can order some in and am told that they have it but it's not Castrol. Off to somewhere that I can see for myself on the shelf and blow me down Castrol Edge 5w30 does indeed no longer say "BMW" on the list of cars for which it is suitable. 0w30 however does. Seems as though I have to make the change which I'm not really happy about but will do. I gather that there shouldn't be much change unless startup them is a lot colder than with the 05w30 but that at operating temperature they should be the same. Is that about right? Also I'm not really willing to change brands or to another type (Magnatec for example) in order to get 5w30. Just wondered about othe people's thoughts on this And whether we should be concerned in the least. Also surprised that I haven't read any threads on this change. I can't be the only person to have run into this?
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avocet Major 252 Rep 1,157 Posts Drives: 2007 328i 2011 X5d Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Vancouver bc iTrader: (0)	They make a few different oils in the edge lineup. The edge you want is professional ll01. It is available in both 0w30 and 5w30.
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Eagle1oh7 Lieutenant Colonel 287 Rep 1,710 Posts Drives: '11 328i Sedan Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Chula Vista CA iTrader: (0)	Just go with Motul XCESS LL01, it's 5W-40 though. I'm running it right now then I'm going to send in a sample for analysis when it comes time to do a change. So far nothing bad, it is BMW approved and costs slightly more than the stuff with the BMW logo on it. __________________ DONE: Seibon CF Hood, M3 Rep, MSport rear w/DD CF Diffuser, M3 Rep Skirts, Seibon CSL trunklid, Forgestar F14 18s w/Michelin PSS, Eisenmann catback, AA Headers, BPC Stage 2, Charcoal Delete+revMotor+AFE Drop In filter FUTURE MODS: LED headlights, CF rooftop, M3 Suspension Conversion, Dinan CAI Mod
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ashmostro Brigadier General 1254 Rep 4,088 Posts Drives: 2020 M4cs \| 2022 M550i Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Falls Church, VA iTrader: (27)	Bmw has officially changed its oil supplier to shell from castrol. That's likely the reason for the branding change on castrol product.
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ilicboris First Lieutenant 77 Rep 334 Posts Drives: 2009 E90 335xi Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Nebraska, USA iTrader: (0)	I don't think the Castrol Edge 5W-30 was ever BMW approved. I don't recall ever seeing their name on the package when I ran it in my 545i a few times.
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ashmostro Brigadier General 1254 Rep 4,088 Posts Drives: 2020 M4cs \| 2022 M550i Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Falls Church, VA iTrader: (27)	European formula 0w30 was. I used to buy it off of Amazon. Just switched to the new shell stuff.
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avocet Major 252 Rep 1,157 Posts Drives: 2007 328i 2011 X5d Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Vancouver bc iTrader: (0)	being ll01 means it meets the BMW spec for long life additives. It has nothing to do if it is a supplier to the manufacturer.
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VTECaddict Where'd my VTEC go? 481 Rep 6,067 Posts Drives: 06 330i 6MT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Seattle, WA iTrader: (4)	I believe the UK specs LL-04 oil since the sulfur content in the fuel is lower. I can't say what happened to the Castrol Edge 5w30 over there, but here in the US the LL-01 approved Castrol Edge 0w30 became 0w40. __________________ AW/Terra \| ZSP \| ZPP \| ZCW \| iDrive \| CA Mods: BC BR coilovers \| Blacklines \| M-tech rear \| dual exhaust \| M3 steering wheel \| BMW SSK \| ZHP shift knob \| High-kick CF spoiler \| NBT Retrofit M3 front control arms \| M3 rear guide rods \| Manzo rear toe and camber links \| Monroe rear shock mounts \| Varrstoen ES1 19x9.5+20 Front, 19x11+25 rear
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xcusem3 Lieutenant 457 Rep 539 Posts Drives: 2013 M3 Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Calgary iTrader: (0)	Gents, approx three months ago BMW partnered with Shell for their fuels and oils, which is why you won't see BMW on any Castrol products anymore. I'm due for an oil change soon but as a long time Castrol user I don't know which brand I'm going to switch to. All I know is I won't be putting that crap from the dealer in my car. Suggestions? __________________ CP-E DP's / Remus Race / ETS 7" FMIC / AFE DCI / Cobb V3 / ETS CP / HKS BOV
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