[Corey]

Not the most high tech product out there, but the Terry Tuner has a pretty commanding lead in the power to money category.

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by astris

You can't sell a used flash.

You can if you purchase an additional ECU.

[Carlito12]

i see u've been busy, Terry, since our last run.

"A" for effort
"A" for creativity and originality
"A+" for balls

Those are some high marks...

But, until I get some positive testimonials from Terry Tuner users, I have to give u a

"C" for Terry Tuner .

Its great bargain, to say the least. Hell, I might just send you the $2.00.

Mesier1111 is right, tho. You can't call this a Terry Tuner... maybe Terry MaxBoost?

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by Carlito12

Mesier1111 is right, tho. You can't call this a Terry Tuner... maybe Terry MaxBoost?

lol, wait for v2.0. It's going to have timing control, launch control, and vanos control.

PS. In the vein of XEde and PROCede, perhaps we should call this ******?

[Carlito12]

Originally Posted by daves335i

I was about to write that people are trashing terry for no reason, he's just trying to figure out a DIY.

However, there is no reason to insult Shiv. I don't know Shiv from a hole in teh wall, I don't have a PROCede, a turbo tuner, or anything else (yet), but I don't blame anyone for trying to make a dollar for a good product.

He's not the computer tech that comes over your house and defrags your hard drive for $125/hr.

Shiv and Terry go way back ... I say let them be... its fun for the rest of us.

[DrDomer]

Oh wait... (walking to the fridge)... I was thirsty after eating all this popcorn...

[lkraven]

If this is anything like what the Turbo Tuner does-- and I am beginning to suspect that they are closer than the TT folks would care to admit-- then, YIKES.

I guess if you were going to go the TT route, a Terry Tuner is as good as a Turbo Tuner...

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by Terry335

lol, wait for v2.0. It's going to have timing control, launch control, and vanos control.

and all with just a simple 30 second software update, right terry?

[astris]

Originally Posted by Terry335

It's the evolution of mods. First come the DIY mods (enthusiasts trying to make their car faster), then the piggybacks (tuners trying to make a buck), and finally the flash (which requires real engineering). Most flashes come with a loader tool that lets you remove and resell. In LS1 land where I came from, you can buy software that allows custom tuning for $500, and download base tunes from various websites for free. The flash is cheaper, smoother, easier to install, and in my opinion a vastly superior option.

Ah, this makes sense as you are coming from the american tuner world. That type of flash does not exist for the most part in the german tuning world. No one will give you a device to upload a true flash (at least to my knowledge, definitely not in the Audi tuning community). Everything is done at the point of sale. There is no tangible product for flashes, just code uploaded from the vendor. There used to be physical "chips" that required soldiering, but as you can imagine, were quickly replaced with flashes. So, the only way to resell a flash would be to sell the entire ecu, which comes with many other logistical complications. The Audi B7 A4 ME9 ecu was supposed to be extremely difficult, but it was a relatively short time before flashes hit the market. Can't understand why its taking so long in the BMW market.

I'll have to argue your evolution of ecu tuning as well since piggiebacks have never really existed in the Audi scene.

Why the simple loader device hasn't surfaced in the german tuning scene, I don't know.

There will definitely be flashes for the 335 (GIAC should be coming out with a solid product soon). Like I was saying, with a complete reflash, there is a greater chance of dealer detection if they are really looking for it. Much less transparent than a piggieback that has been removed. Each product has their ups and downs. Is one clearly superior to the other? That's debatable in my opinion.

[astris]

Originally Posted by scalbert

You can if you purchase an additional ECU.

There are other completations to that. ECU's vary from year to year. Most flashes have to be year and transmission specific. Not to mention expensive, much more expensive than it would be worth.

[therealm3]

Originally Posted by lkraven

If this is anything like what the Turbo Tuner does-- and I am beginning to suspect that they are closer than the TT folks would care to admit-- then, YIKES.

I guess if you were going to go the TT route, a Terry Tuner is as good as a Turbo Tuner...

yep. the more I think about this, the more I wonder if this is not exactly how the Turbo Tuner works. Both basically condition a signal tricking the ECU to create more boost. Given where the TT is plugged inline on one sensor how can it really do anything but what Terry has done for $2? Maybe someone needs to open up a TT all the way and find out……

** disclaimer - I don' t know much about The N54 or sophisticated engine management, but I do have a decent knowledge of motors in general and a background in electronics and computer systems. So with that said, I have my flame suit ready if I am way off base here.

[therealm3]

Originally Posted by astris

Why the simple loader device hasn't surfaced in the german tuning scene, I don't know.

Actually it has existed. The "Shark Injector" used the OBD2 port to upload a remap of the ecu sw. You coudl aslo load the stock map back in for dealer visits. But that stopped with MY2003.5 cause BMW did something to the code that made it really difficult and not cost effective anymore. At least that is the way Jim Conforti explained it.

[astris]

Originally Posted by therealm3

Actually it has existed. The "Shark Injector" used the OBD2 port to upload a remap of the ecu sw. You coudl aslo load the stock map back in for dealer visits. But that stopped with MY2003.5 cause BMW did something to the code that made it really difficult and not cost effective anymore. At least that is the way Jim Conforti explained it.

Ah shark. Forgot about that. touche. That was also for a na motor and some would argue not the most effect way to spend $500. :P Was it year/ecu/transmission specific? It's not upgradable is it?

[schneid4323]

Originally Posted by Terry335

I agree. I think we're all just biting our time until real engineers write ECU flash software that will render these piggy-backs obsolete. In the mean time 2-3psi is a nice increase, and basically free.

To be honest with you.... piggy backs are the way to go on these cars. I dont feel like elaborating but it works out better.

[sdiver68]

I don't get all the Terry haters, even while I disagree with 1/2 of what he posts.

I love what Shiv has done but some people think he is God and anyone that dares challenge God is a heretic fit to be burned at the stake.

Terry's mod is limited but useful. Tricking the engine into a high altitude mode that it already has, factory delivered.

[e36jakeo]

Originally Posted by therealm3

Actually it has existed. The "Shark Injector" used the OBD2 port to upload a remap of the ecu sw. You coudl aslo load the stock map back in for dealer visits. But that stopped with MY2003.5 cause BMW did something to the code that made it really difficult and not cost effective anymore. At least that is the way Jim Conforti explained it.

I actually have a shark injector on my E36 M3 with the Schrick cam kit. Turner Motorsport did the complete install. I'd guess that, due to need for more airflow and fuel through the bigger injectors that come with the kit, the shark injector reflash is crucial to making the engine perform correctly.

[benMW holla]

whens someone gunna do a turbo upgrade...
stop whining about 2 psi, lets get +20! supra style!


hahahah

[therealm3]

Originally Posted by astris

Ah shark. Forgot about that. touche. That was also for a na motor and some would argue not the most effect way to spend $500. :P Was it year/ecu/transmission specific? It's not upgradable is it?

Yeah just for NA motors from 96-03. it was motor specific so the same motor in a 3 or 5 could use the same upgrade. the downside was you could only use it on one car. the owner was free to upload and then reload stock and vice versa as many times as needed, but only for that car. It was not upgradeable with new maps. Worthwhile mod though. Both my 96 328 and 00 325 had it.

[Park2670]

Originally Posted by therealm3

Actually it has existed. The "Shark Injector" used the OBD2 port to upload a remap of the ecu sw. You coudl aslo load the stock map back in for dealer visits. But that stopped with MY2003.5 cause BMW did something to the code that made it really difficult and not cost effective anymore. At least that is the way Jim Conforti explained it.

I was at a little meet with Jim the other day, He has a 335. He said the N54 DME is very encrypted and hard to crack, but there is a lot of information in there.

[timn]

Terry,

I support what you're doing. It makes sense that BMW would create an ECU that compensated a/f and timing for minor boost increases (and decreases). I know that at different altitudes, boost changes...Anyway, please update us with any new news!

[WilyB]

I wonder how many e90posters are gonna blow their engines following Terry's "advice"?

[ricekikr]

didnt read all the posts, but i do agree with terry that the best solution is to flash.

i dont exactly know why it wont work with the 335i, but there are tuners here that will tune the e46/e36 for something like US$800 which is quite a bit, but remember here a 320i 4cylinder costs roughly US$55000-65,000 depending on the trim

and it seems to work with american cars (like terry said), with Audi (someone said this) and with all tuner japanese cars. i guess someone has to decipher the codes to be able to tune it.

but in the end, simple reflashing with a basemap or a tunemap will end the need for piggybacks. some cars even have launch control built in. turbo timer will still be needed.