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JB3 1.3 versus Procede CANbus (Rematch Review)
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05-20-2009, 11:02 PM | #23 |
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oh boy, here we go
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05-20-2009, 11:15 PM | #25 |
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What boost were the various maps running? Sounds like the latest JB3 maps are boosting a bit higher
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05-20-2009, 11:20 PM | #26 |
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Kelvin... great review! Thanks for highlighting the pros for both tunes. JB3 1.3 sounds like a winner so far... can't wait to see your dynos and real world observations.
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05-20-2009, 11:33 PM | #27 |
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I like how USC335 states the supposed timing difference between the two tunes then admonishes us for even attempting to discount it by 'not even going there'.
Why don't you make your own thread and Torque Target your ass out of this one. |
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05-20-2009, 11:36 PM | #28 |
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Before you get all defensive, you might actually try to understand what I wrote. I think the analysis is pretty objective. I am a very analytical person and I always want to know why something does what it does. For example, taking steroids makes you stronger and play better, but ... Never mind. Just enjoy your JB3 and be happy
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05-21-2009, 12:01 AM | #29 |
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I know your review focused on performance but price has to be considered as an additional key factor in choosing any product.
In this case, the JB3 wins the value comparison - Especially now that the JB3 also offers a variety of easily selectable maps. |
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05-21-2009, 01:11 AM | #31 |
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nice review!
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05-21-2009, 01:15 AM | #32 |
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Hate to be a pessimist, but I think we are now in uncomfortable territory.
Might have to swallow my words later, but based on what you guys been seeing recently, is it a stretch to think maybe the developments have moved a little too fast of late?
Regardless of what tune you have, safety should be paramount. Its a $45K we are talking about. Sooner or later one of these tunes will go booom~! GAMEOVER for the tuner who does that first. Paying public beware. Competion and one-up manship is entertaining, but sooner or later someone will be pushed to take a few too many risks and find the limits of the N54. I just hope the tuners are putting the community's cars safety in mind with each of their iterations. Sometimes being on the bleeding edge might result in real bleeding.
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05-21-2009, 01:15 AM | #33 |
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You forgot the price of the BT cable $279 and chip burner $50 you would want to buy. Thats alot closer in price now. I would never buy the JB3 without the BT to remove codes.
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05-21-2009, 01:51 AM | #34 | |
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And if you are really cost-conscious, the JB3 pin-out version is $379 for the exact same functionality (unlike PROcede lite vs. race remember that?) Since you are comparing prices - you need to add the full price for upgrades Vishnu makes you pay while BMS has a 100% trade-up program towards any upgrade. Add up V1 to V3 Rev II and then JB1 to JB3 and $279 for the BT becomes small potatoes. |
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05-21-2009, 03:54 AM | #37 |
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nice ur in miami? wanna race?
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05-21-2009, 04:12 AM | #38 |
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cant wait to get the JB3 installed..
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05-21-2009, 04:21 AM | #39 | |
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05-21-2009, 05:52 AM | #40 | |
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05-21-2009, 06:19 AM | #41 |
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Great, in detail review!! Glad your happy with it man. Should feel what this is all about at the end of the week
Let's not steer off topic guys.. USC335 please make a thread for your thoughts as they seem to be in detail and might better answered on there own thread. |
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05-21-2009, 08:20 AM | #42 | |
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Its been very refreshing as there have been no real tuner wars in the last few weeks and discussions have progressed nicely. Even this thread is being rather civil which is great and I am sure the whole community appreciates it. As to some of the discussions about boost levels. I have been involved heavilly in the 1.3 development/testing and have seen the 1.3 progress along the 25 beta versions I have tested (yes my burner is getting a workout). 1.3 isn't about boost, isn't about the bleeding edge, but its a refinement of power delivery and a fusion of raw power and silky smoothness, which now I believe sets the JB3 apart from the rest. Your impressions may vary but the 1.3 really speaks for itself now. Mike |
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05-21-2009, 08:39 AM | #43 |
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So, from what I understand so far... the JB3 is apparently pulling harder up top yet still running the same boost as Procede? The difference being that JB3 isn't pulling timing up top like the Procede is? Is that correct or did I miss something?
Curious about AFR, EGT, etc. as well |
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05-21-2009, 09:12 AM | #44 |
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Map 6 on 1.3 is the bomb. Good work T.
Reduced lag at driveaway from idle. Good pin your A* back in the seat at low speed. And no burner required. Just send the old chips back to T and he will ship you a 1.3 chip. Nice to have a little kicker every few months when the car start seeming a little slow Oh damn, this was from a ride in a friends 335 - not mine.
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