BMW Model Year 2011 starting March 2010 for 3-series, M3, Z4, 7-series

stressdoc · 12-12-2009, 07:37 PM

Well, the Z4 335is will be interesting -- not. And a .4% price increase beginning Jan 1 2010 -- Grinch. Super sport would puff up a few stockings... New trannys are always fun. The amped 'is' version BMW Perf engine tune as standard would be trouble for Audi. And a 50 mpg diesel in a pear tree.

atwell3993 · 12-12-2009, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mapezzul

The tunability of the N55 is not going to be as easy for the aftermarket b/c of the Valvetronic.

And by slower you mean non-existent. That's why I'm sitting with a 5 year old valvetronic code that not a single person's broken yet...

noro · 12-12-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by atwell3993

And by slower you mean non-existent. That's why I'm sitting with a 5 year old valvetronic code that not a single person's broken yet...

There is nothing to be broken, NA engine with a electronically controlled ignition timing operates at its best right out of the box. You will need to invest into actual mechanical mods.

With the N55 all they have to do is bump the max boost limit by a single PSI and you got yourself 30HP easy.

-=Hot|Ice=- · 12-12-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mapezzul

The N55 can't really be compared to the N54 because of valvetronic. If BMW went just from a bi-turbo to a single twin scroll and kept everything else the same that would be evolutionary.

The HPFP will also be in the N55 as it too is direct injection. The tunability of the N55 is not going to be as easy for the aftermarket b/c of the Valvetronic.

The N55 was created for emissions and fuel economy reasons, it will almost always be paired with the 8 speed.

You all will see in a few hours what is in store for some of the 2011s.

*Waits patiently* Still waiting....

noro · 12-12-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by -=Hot|Ice=-

*Waits patiently* Still waiting....

Do you seriously at this point don't know what's coming?

claykin · 12-12-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by noro

Do you seriously at this point don't know what's coming?

I feel dumb. Tell us.

-=Hot|Ice=- · 12-12-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by noro

Do you seriously at this point don't know what's coming?

Indeed, I don't. I know they released the Z4s. Can you tell me?

PBureno · 12-12-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by claykin

I feel dumb. Tell us.

me too LOL

noro · 12-12-2009, 10:08 PM

They probably gonna pull the same trick with the 3er, at least that's my guess. If they are going to inject the existing N54 engine with some "juice" for the Z4, why not for the 335? Think back the M3 Competition package. Only unlike the competition package we have been all "juiced" with aftermarket systems so as far as I am concerned the only perk to be gained by this package is the dynamic dampening control. Think of this as the E9X going away party to keep the sales going for until the F30 comes out.

Hey mapezzul am I even remotely close to the truth?

-=Hot|Ice=- · 12-12-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by noro

They probably gonna pull the same trick with the 3er, at least that's my guess. If they are going to inject the existing N54 engine with some "juice" for the Z4, why not for the 335? Think back the M3 Competition package. Only unlike the competition package we have been all "juiced" with aftermarket systems so as far as I am concerned the only perk to be gained by this package is the dynamic dampening control. Think of this as the E9X going away party to keep the sales going for until the F30 comes out.

Hey mapezzul am I even remotely close to the truth?

Hmm, a boost in the M3 engine and LED DRL's? If they are boosting the 3 series.

claykin · 12-12-2009, 10:15 PM

Is the Z4si (or whatever they call it) the N54 engine or the new N55? About 30 more HP sounds nice but I'll be really surprised if BMW releases a E9x 3 series with more HP than the 6 banger F10 5 series. With profit margins slimming and the Euro causing them more grief than they can imagine (or maybe that's the dollar causing the problems) I'd be surprised if they introduced a pricier 3 series. If anything, BMW should be looking for ways to reduce costs.

The Z4 is a niche car for BMW and not their bread and butter. They can take a chance or two with a niche car.

noro · 12-12-2009, 10:18 PM

The Z4 keeps the N54, read the article they still talk about 2 turbos. As far the more expensive 3-er, I would imagine it will be an option and not a replacement for the base series.

In case of a Z4 too, the regular 35i isn't going away, at least that's how I am reading the article (new top of the line, not the only line).

-=Hot|Ice=- · 12-12-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by noro

The Z4 keeps the N54, read the article they still talk about 2 turbos. As far the more expensive 3-er, I would imagine it will be an option and not a replacement for the base series.

In case of a Z4 too, the regular 35i isn't going away, at least that's how I am reading the article (new top of the line, not the only line).

Where is this article? What page of this thread? When is the "official" announcement?

noro · 12-12-2009, 10:21 PM

http://e89.zpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=330796

-=Hot|Ice=- · 12-12-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by noro

http://e89.zpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=330796

Thanks!

P.S. BMW did say they were going to switch out the 6 speed gearboxes for the 8 speed across the board, I guessed they would do this with the F30.

noro · 12-12-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by -=Hot|Ice=-

Thanks!

P.S. BMW did say they were going to switch out the 6 speed gearboxes for the 8 speed across the board, I guessed they would do this with the F30.

No manual tranny would be a deal breaker for me. If that happens I will either pickup a used 4dr E90 M-sport or go back to E46 ZHP. I love my coupe and I wouldn't mind keeping for ages but my son is growing fast and it's inevitable that I will need 4 doors.

-=Hot|Ice=- · 12-12-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by noro

No manual tranny would be a deal breaker for me. If that happens I will either pickup a used 4dr E90 M-sport or go back to E46 ZHP. I love my coupe and I wouldn't mind keeping for ages but my son is growing fast and it's inevitable that I will need 4 doors.

Adding a DCT to the 3 series wouldn't be a bad idea.(Maybe from the Z4?)

noro · 12-12-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by -=Hot|Ice=-

Adding a DCT to the 3 series wouldn't be a bad idea.(Maybe from the Z4?)

Oh I think it would be a splendid idea. I realize all the advantages of DCT over the old school transmissions, but manuals make my everyday driving a lot more fulfilling. It's just a preference, if I was in a competitive race I would take DCT over manual.

-=Hot|Ice=- · 12-12-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by noro

Oh I think it would be a splendid idea. I realize all the advantages of DCT over the old school transmissions, but manuals make my everyday driving a lot more fulfilling. It's just a preference, if I was in a competitive race I would take DCT over manual.

a Manual transmission does give you more involvement and give you more control. Wish I hadn't torn my ligament. I'll never be able to drive a manual car again.

claykin · 12-12-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by noro

The Z4 keeps the N54, read the article they still talk about 2 turbos. As far the more expensive 3-er, I would imagine it will be an option and not a replacement for the base series.

In case of a Z4 too, the regular 35i isn't going away, at least that's how I am reading the article (new top of the line, not the only line).

I saw the article. I couldn't find where BMW said its an N54, but they said twin turbo. With the way they market things, they could also be calling the twin scroll single turbo a twin turbo.

I suppose an even more expensive 335 isn't out of the question. When I was shopping for my car, two dealers tried hard to turn me on to M3's they had in stock. Offering many thousands off MSRP to sweeten the deal. Still didn't make sense for me as they had no decent lease program so the moderately equipped M3's came out to $300+/mo more than the nearly $54K MSRP 335i I had them locate for me.

If BMW does the 330hp engine for the E9x I hope they carefully think about how they price it. Or maybe they just want that model to attract people into showrooms to sell more basic E9x cars. These are desperate times for manufacturers so I presume nothing is out of the question.

JulieDriving · 12-12-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by claykin

I saw the article. I couldn't find where BMW said its an N54, but they said twin turbo.

Bimmerfile is saying N54: http://www.bimmerfile.com/2009/12/12...-z4sdrive35is/

I guess we'll all waiting for mapezzul to confirm, or drop more hints.

atwell3993 · 12-13-2009, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by noro

There is nothing to be broken, NA engine with a electronically controlled ignition timing operates at its best right out of the box. You will need to invest into actual mechanical mods.

With the N55 all they have to do is bump the max boost limit by a single PSI and you got yourself 30HP easy.

Yes but that code needs to be broken to do any kind of forced induction mods...which never happened.

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noro Colonel 90 Rep 2,707 Posts Drives: '91 M3, '04 E46 ZHP, '72 2002 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Boston iTrader: (0)	They probably gonna pull the same trick with the 3er, at least that's my guess. If they are going to inject the existing N54 engine with some "juice" for the Z4, why not for the 335? Think back the M3 Competition package. Only unlike the competition package we have been all "juiced" with aftermarket systems so as far as I am concerned the only perk to be gained by this package is the dynamic dampening control. Think of this as the E9X going away party to keep the sales going for until the F30 comes out. Hey mapezzul am I even remotely close to the truth? __________________ zhpregistry.net - ZHP stats and free classifieds.
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claykin Brigadier General 1588 Rep 4,553 Posts Drives: various BMW Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida iTrader: (0)	Is the Z4si (or whatever they call it) the N54 engine or the new N55? About 30 more HP sounds nice but I'll be really surprised if BMW releases a E9x 3 series with more HP than the 6 banger F10 5 series. With profit margins slimming and the Euro causing them more grief than they can imagine (or maybe that's the dollar causing the problems) I'd be surprised if they introduced a pricier 3 series. If anything, BMW should be looking for ways to reduce costs. The Z4 is a niche car for BMW and not their bread and butter. They can take a chance or two with a niche car.
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noro Colonel 90 Rep 2,707 Posts Drives: '91 M3, '04 E46 ZHP, '72 2002 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Boston iTrader: (0)	The Z4 keeps the N54, read the article they still talk about 2 turbos. As far the more expensive 3-er, I would imagine it will be an option and not a replacement for the base series. In case of a Z4 too, the regular 35i isn't going away, at least that's how I am reading the article (new top of the line, not the only line). __________________ zhpregistry.net - ZHP stats and free classifieds.
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