[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Brey335i

Jeremy Clarkson



Pretty sure Terry's last name is Burger...

Imaginations are running wild on these forums huh. Yes that is his last name.

[KyLu II]

A turbo, exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

**- Jeremy Clarkson

[KyLu II]

Damn, alreaday posted. Oh well

[JamesM3M5]

Shiv also tested the manifold with and without isolators between the wideband and manifold runner to prevent excessive heat from damaging them. Turns out his testing showed they were not needed, but I believe he said that they are going to use them anyway. Might be a different story if you're boosting for long periods such as road course use.

[nailer335]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I don't complain about competition. Copying is the best form of flattery. And I do apologize for suggesting that Terry's 135 came on a trailer. There was a white 135 on the trailer at the Ridgecrest hotel. Forgive me for assuming it was his since there was only one 135 there at the event (Terry's). But this all a bit OT.

Shiv

Its not really about that single reference to him trailering the car. It was that whole comment, and most every other comment directed at BMS, which is a company like many many others in a competitive business market. Let your products and progress speak for itself. Seriously though. This little tuner scene is pretty lame... Tuning and progress isnt... The "Biggest man on e90 campus" complex is though. The constant drama disappoints me. Especially when you, (who makes a single turbo that is the biggest damn thing that has ever happened to this platform) provoke or participate in any way. Let your amazing results speak for themselves at this point. Then maybe your fanbois will follow you respectable example, then BMSs fanbois wont fight back and we can all feel like a more respectable group as a whole... Lofty thinking, but worth it as far as I can see...

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by JamesM3M5

Shiv also tested the manifold with and without isolators between the wideband and manifold runner to prevent excessive heat from damaging them. Turns out his testing showed they were not needed, but I believe he said that they are going to use them anyway. Might be a different story if you're boosting for long periods such as road course use.

Yes, i've been using the thermal insulators for the past couple of weeks. Just as a precaution. But I noticed no problems will running without them. But then again, I didn't do any 0-170mph pulls without them installed

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by nailer335

Its not really about that single reference to him trailering the car. It was that whole comment, and most every other comment directed at BMS, which is a company like many many others in a competitive business market. Let your products and progress speak for itself. Seriously though. This little tuner scene is pretty lame... Tuning and progress isnt... The "Biggest man on e90 campus" complex is though. The constant drama disappoints me. Especially when you, (who makes a single turbo that is the biggest damn thing that has ever happened to this platform) provoke or participate in any way. Let your amazing results speak for themselves at this point. Then maybe your fanbois will follow you respectable example, then BMSs fanbois wont fight back and we can all feel like a more respectable group as a whole... Lofty thinking, but worth it as far as I can see...

The minute people stop labeling themselves and others as fanbois will be the first step in the right direction. Let's move on and not waste time propagating this nonsense. There is a whole other forum dedicated to that.

Shiv

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by Brey335i

Jeremy Clarkson



Pretty sure Terry's last name is Burger...

I know right. Just goes to show you how people believe anything that is said. Oh yeah, Michael Jackson is alive, he's bunkmates with Elvis.

[nailer335]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

The minute people stop labeling themselves and others as fanbois will be the first step in the right direction. Let's move on and not waste time propagating this nonsense. There is a whole other forum dedicated to that.

Shiv

People label themselves as fanbois now? The evolution of this drama is more pathetic than I thought. Fanbois by definition, according to my limited knowledge (respective to internet fanbois) and very low respect/tolerance for their drama queen shit... Are those who initiate this sad drama.

Needing the last word is arguably "propogating this nonsense".

"there is a whole other forum dedicated to that"- which forum are you referring to? If I didnt know any better... Id say this is another example of drama starting low grade internet talk with reference to (yet again) your competition. I hope I'm wrong.

This problem is a classic example of follow the leader. Sorry for calling it like I see it.

Real talk aside- keep up the awesome single turbo work. I love it. We all do. Talk with your products now, drama free. They really seem like theyre good enough to speak for themselves at this point. Low grade drama has its financial benefit in this largely confused-consumer I'm sure... But when every GD thread gets to the same point with the same clowns (I wont call them what I called them earlier) showing off their same big red noses with their emotionally/drama stirring snide remarks... It might start to hamper things.

What do I know though right...

[dfv2]

The pure genius behind shivs persona is that EVERYONE is talking about him and his products.

Except of course Cobb, because apparently they are the only company smart enough not to give a competitor free advertising. But I'm a Cobb fanboi straight up, full disclosure!

You guys remember the chevy dooms day ad on the superbowl? Ford benefitted from the smear add while chevy actually suffered a loss in web views. My 1 cent, keep up the drama because I love the entertainment!!!

[hotrod182]

I was wondering how much better the low end response will be with the different single turbo configurations? By comparing the JB4 dynograph on the stock turbo 135i, vs the Vishnu Single turbo system, you can see the single turbo puts out 40% more peak hp, at the expense of some low rpm responsiveness that the N54 is famous for. Its staggering that the stockers are putting out 100% more horsepower at 2500 rpm. It looks like the single doesn't put out even numbers till 4000rpm. Is this purposely limited in the 4000rpm and below range where most of us do 90% of our driving, or is it a natural byproduct of the larger turbo? As an experiment, during your normal driving, watch how much of your driving involves rpms below 4000rpm, and you will see how crucial this rpm range is. So it will be great if more power/response will come with further devolopment of the single turbo setup. Also wondering how this muted low end response will match with the steptronic equipped cars.

[ATP]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

I was wondering how much better the low end response will be with the different single turbo configurations? By comparing the JB4 dynograph on the stock turbo 135i, vs the Vishnu Single turbo system, you can see the single turbo puts out 40% more peak hp, at the expense of some low rpm responsiveness that the N54 is famous for. Its staggering that the stockers are putting out 100% more horsepower at 2500 rpm. It looks like the single doesn't put out even numbers till 4000rpm. Is this purposely limited in the 4000rpm and below range where most of us do 90% of our driving, or is it a natural byproduct of the larger turbo? As an experiment, during your normal driving, watch how much of your driving involves rpms below 4000rpm, and you will see how crucial this rpm range is. So it will be great if more power/response will come with further devolopment of the single turbo setup. Also wondering how this muted low end response will match with the steptronic equipped cars.

I'm sure its not a dog below 4k but it will certainly feel slower. I know I'm never above 3k during normal driving. Good thing about the MT though is that I can downshift and bring it into the sweet spot. Losing the responsiveness down low ruins it for me though.

I'd imagine a smaller Turbo would allow for better response down low. Smaller/lighter wheel will get you faster spool, simple physics. However, I believe Shiv is limiting the boost down low to a certain level so there might be the possibility of spooling the current setup even earlier. As to why he's limiting the boost level, I don't know.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by dfv2

The pure genius behind shivs persona is that EVERYONE is talking about him and his products.

Except of course Cobb, because apparently they are the only company smart enough not to give a competitor free advertising. But I'm a Cobb fanboi straight up, full disclosure!

You guys remember the chevy dooms day ad on the superbowl? Ford benefitted from the smear add while chevy actually suffered a loss in web views. My 1 cent, keep up the drama because I love the entertainment!!!

I think there is saying, any publicity is good publicity. I agree with it about 90% of the time

In other news I thought this was a car enthusiast forum... Not sure why there is so many emotions, I think thats for the Lifetime Tv.

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by ATP

I'm sure its not a dog below 4k but it will certainly feel slower. I know I'm never above 3k during normal driving. Good thing about the MT though is that I can downshift and bring it into the sweet spot. Losing the responsiveness down low ruins it for me though.

I'd imagine a smaller Turbo would allow for better response down low. Smaller/lighter wheel will get you faster spool, simple physics. However, I believe Shiv is limiting the boost down low to a certain level so there might be the possibility of spooling the current setup even earlier. As to why he's limiting the boost level, I don't know.

Yeah, I think those single turbo numbers below 3000rpm are even overwhelmed non-tuned bone stock turbo N54. But on the other hand, it will come on like gang busters above 4000rpm for those that crave the top end rush over low rpm response and daily driveability.

[jpsimon]

Who add's power mods ONLY for daily driving around town at low speeds below 3k rpm's? not me... when it matters it will rip the spine out of the back of your neck. But honestly what were you expecting with a big turbo? Those are the characteristics. With the newer billet wheel it will spool a bit faster, and where it counts will chew up and spit out smaller twins

[pits200]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

I was wondering how much better the low end response will be with the different single turbo configurations? By comparing the JB4 dynograph on the stock turbo 135i, vs the Vishnu Single turbo system, you can see the single turbo puts out 40% more peak hp, at the expense of some low rpm responsiveness that the N54 is famous for. Its staggering that the stockers are putting out 100% more horsepower at 2500 rpm. It looks like the single doesn't put out even numbers till 4000rpm. Is this purposely limited in the 4000rpm and below range where most of us do 90% of our driving, or is it a natural byproduct of the larger turbo? As an experiment, during your normal driving, watch how much of your driving involves rpms below 4000rpm, and you will see how crucial this rpm range is. So it will be great if more power/response will come with further devolopment of the single turbo setup. Also wondering how this muted low end response will match with the steptronic equipped cars.

And how many people are getting upgraded turbos or a single turbo upgrade for everyday use? So take into account for people who are looking for maximum power when they do push it, the car will never see below 4k when they are asking for it from the car.

Its like saying, well you know with upgraded suspension and coilovers, the car will not be as soft of a ride(Typically). People know what they are getting into and the trade-offs with the single turbo upgrade.

[ATP]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Yeah, I think those numbers below 3000rpm are even weaker than a non-tuned stock turbo N54. But on the other hand, it will come on like gang busters above 4000rpm for those that crave the top end rush over daily driveability.

The N52 is basically an NA N54, right? Anyone got a stock N52 dyno to compare those numbers with?

Yea, and if you are going for huge power, you probably don't mind adding a small shot of N2O down low to quicken the spool. Not practical for daily driving but it could be done for track purposes.

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by ATP

The N52 is basically an NA N54, right? Anyone got a stock N52 dyno to compare those numbers with?

Yea, and if you are going for huge power, you probably don't mind adding a small shot of N2O down low to quicken the spool. Not practical for daily driving but it could be done for track purposes.

That is definitely true about the nitrous shot for low end.

For those of you that don't think below 4000 rpm is where you do 90% of your driving. As an experiment, when you are doing your daily driving, see how often it is actually above 4000rpm. I mean if the numbers were even equal to stock turbos on factory boost, it would be a negligable trade off. But the difference is staggering. But for those that are totally willing to make the tradeoff for race type performance, then this may be an attractive option to them.

Will be nice to have the reviews coming in from the initial beta testers to see if the low end loss is irritating or not. I for one loved to launch from 2nd gear from intersections almost daily against opponents, I have a feeling the single turbo delay would quite noticeable for my daily ritual. On the other hand, the single setup should rule the 60-130 sprints.

As far as comparisons with the stock 328i, most N54 owners find the non-turbo powerband to be highly disappointing with its lack of low end torque, relatively speaking.
And again, maybe the lack luster low rpm numbers are simply a matter of tuning to make them better...time will tell.

[ATP]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

Who add's power mods ONLY for daily driving around town at low speeds below 3k rpm's? not me... when it matters it will rip the spine out of the back of your neck. But honestly what were you expecting with a big turbo? Those are the characteristics. With the newer billet wheel it will spool a bit faster, and where it counts will chew up and spit out smaller twins

Originally Posted by pits200

And how many people are getting upgraded turbos or a single turbo upgrade for everyday use? So take into account for people who are looking for maximum power when they do push it, the car will never see below 4k when they are asking for it from the car.

Its like saying, well you know with upgraded suspension and coilovers, the car will not be as soft of a ride(Typically). People know what they are getting into and the trade-offs with the single turbo upgrade.

Or you can try to get the best of both worlds with larger twins. Larger than RBs at least. Or twin scroll. The response down low will kill this for a lot of people. It will kill it for a lot of people even after they install the kit because a lot of people probably haven't driven a car with a large snail.

Personally, I'm hoping CP-E comes out with something in the near future to slap onto that manifold they debuted at SEMA. More power than RBs and better response than the current single set up.

[jpsimon]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

That is definitely true about the nitrous shot for low end.

For those of you that don't think below 4000 rpm is where you do 90% of your driving. As an experiment, when you are doing your daily driving, see how often it is actually above 4000rpm. I mean if the numbers were even equal to stock turbos on factory boost, it would be a negligable trade off. But the difference is staggering. But for those that are totally willing to make the tradeoff for race type performance, then this may be an attractive option to them.

You're acting like this is the first time you've seen a car with a big turbo? Is that true? The way this kind of setup performs is nothing new to the world. A consumer buying a big turbo is getting it for the big top end power

[ATP]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

That is definitely true about the nitrous shot for low end.

For those of you that don't think below 4000 rpm is where you do 90% of your driving. As an experiment, when you are doing your daily driving, see how often it is actually above 4000rpm. I mean if the numbers were even equal to stock turbos on factory boost, it would be a negligable trade off. But the difference is staggering. But for those that are totally willing to make the tradeoff for race type performance, then this may be an attractive option to them.

There is the very real possibility that driving this single will SUCK for anyone that drives in traffic regularly. I'm not convinced that the daily drivability of this kit is as great as Shiv makes it sound. Its probably doable but very annoying.

[rader1]

I'd like to see a twin scroll or VNT turbo...

Shiv, what EGTs do you see in the single turbo exhaust manifold?