Vishnu Procede n55 dyno with prototype FMIC (360+WHP)

makarov88 · 04-19-2011, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Yes that's where the n55 seems to have a sizeable advantage. Power power at a lower boost pressure all things equal. Suggests that the head flows better (less boost accumulated at the manifold). There is also far less pumping loss during non-WOT conditions (no manifold vacuum) which means smoother engine performance. And you can feel it. Especially during transitions from partial to full load. I can't wait to see what this engine will do with an upgraded single turbo. Wouldn't be surprised if it made 450whp at just 15psi from GT30R or something comparable.

Hearing this from Shiv makes me warm inside

dzenno · 04-19-2011, 01:57 PM

Sure but keep in mind putting a big single on n55 is no easier than with the n54

Same space constraints..

Q4P · 04-19-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dzenno

Sure but keep in mind putting a big single on n55 is no easier than with the n54

Same space constraints..

Space constraints- yes...manifold issues- yes, but please remember this thing was designed for a single turbo resolving a few issues with one is a lot easier than 2, this type of upgrade would be much easier than the single we (never) saw on the N54...

dzenno · 04-19-2011, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Questforpower

Space constraints- yes...manifold issues- yes, but please remember this thing was designed for a single turbo resolving a few issues with one is a lot easier than 2, this type of upgrade would be much easier than the single we (never) saw on the N54...

Going from 2 to 1 is always easier than 1 to 2, not that anyone is going from a single to a twin but you get my point...also, i don't see how it can be ANY easier to tune the N55 for a big turbo vs the N54...actually, with valvetronic on the N55 its actually WAY harder...

Q4P · 04-19-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dzenno

Going from 2 to 1 is always easier than 1 to 2, not that anyone is going from a single to a twin but you get my point...also, i don't see how it can be ANY easier to tune the N55 for a big turbo vs the N54...actually, with valvetronic on the N55 its actually WAY harder...

What lol? Who would ever go from 1 to 2? I am only referring to mechanical install possibly being easier due to the need for less parts, tuning is another issue... but just to ask; since when has Valvetronic been a limitation to tuning? I see 360 WHP here with better throttle response and this is only because the stock turbo sucks and look at the tq numbers you are getting at that PSI from that little beast...

dzenno · 04-19-2011, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Questforpower

What lol? Who would ever go from 1 to 2? I am only referring to mechanical install possibly being easier due to the need for less parts, tuning is another issue... but just to ask; since when has Valvetronic been a limitation to tuning? I see 360 WHP here with better throttle response and this is only because the stock turbo sucks and look at the tq numbers you are getting at that PSI from that little beast...

Plenty have gone from none to twin

anyhow, no point arguing that as I said the same thing in my post, was speaking only hypothetically...

There are/will be more issues tuning the N55 due to valvetronic than the N54 without it...maybe ask Shiv

or do a bit of your own research...

Clap135 · 04-19-2011, 02:29 PM

I dont see how you can compare two different turbo set ups and say one engine is better because of the power it makes downlow. You can very well say that 15psi on a n55 up top is lower then 15psi on a n54 up top. Does that mean the n54 is better? No, it means the turbos flow better up top. Slam a fully bolted n54 with 15-16 psi at 3k and you will make over 400wtq just as easy.

Sakebomb · 04-19-2011, 02:29 PM

Good Stuff!!!!

Pepe_pr · 04-19-2011, 02:33 PM

confusing!!!!!!!!!

e92sport · 04-19-2011, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Clap135

I dont see how you can compare two different turbo set ups and say one engine is better because of the power it makes downlow. You can very well say that 15psi on a n55 up top is lower then 15psi on a n54 up top. Does that mean the n54 is better? No, it means the turbos flow better up top. Slam a fully bolted n54 with 15-16 psi at 3k and you will make over 400wtq just as easy.

The n55 doesn't need full bolt ons to make 400trq. It does this with no intake, no fmic and no charge pipe.

makarov88 · 04-19-2011, 04:33 PM

N55 > N54... nothing to see here, move along

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 04-19-2011, 04:35 PM

When the N55 on stock turbo breaks 125+ traps, then we'll talk.

Guys have done 120-125 traps stock turbo N54 no nitrous.

Clap135 · 04-19-2011, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by e92sport

The n55 doesn't need full bolt ons to make 400trq. It does this with no intake, no fmic and no charge pipe.

Intake wont gain power downlow
FMIC wont gain power down low
Charge pipe won't do squat

Maybe I missed your point?

Keik E92 M3 · 04-19-2011, 04:50 PM

May is track season

.... Lets let the track do the talking..

Joe@TopGearSolutions · 04-19-2011, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by keikdasneak

May is track season

.... Lets let the track do the talking..

www.dragtimes.com

Q4P · 04-19-2011, 05:37 PM

I dunno, add a proper meth kit with race gas for this bad boy and some slicks to launch it right...

who knows? 120 MPH maybe?

Whoever does it, don't do it under any circumstance at SAC, the results are always sketch.

114-115 has been trapped before consistently on a proper track without meth and half these parts weren't even available yet. Somebody do this with a manual tranny so as to not blame everything on a fast yet un-launchable DCT.

jsmorales07 · 06-13-2016, 02:23 PM

Hey guys, I realize these are really old posts, it's my only source of information. I have called Procede and they have no information for me as they haven't made a piggy back system for years. I bought a Vishnu Procede v5 off eBay. The Procede website says it works on ANY n55 2011 and up. I have a 2013 F30 335i, all the plugs and sensors are exactly where the instructions say, except for CANBUS. There is no ECU box under my hood as there is in an e90 and no CANBUS wires to access. Is there ANY way to make this system work on an F30??? Or am I out $300???

1cleann55 · 06-14-2016, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jsmorales07

Hey guys, I realize these are really old posts, it's my only source of information. I have called Procede and they have no information for me as they haven't made a piggy back system for years. I bought a Vishnu Procede v5 off eBay. The Procede website says it works on ANY n55 2011 and up. I have a 2013 F30 335i, all the plugs and sensors are exactly where the instructions say, except for CANBUS. There is no ECU box under my hood as there is in an e90 and no CANBUS wires to access. Is there ANY way to make this system work on an F30??? Or am I out $300???

You're out 300 lol sorry the E and F tunes aren't compatible

jsmorales07 · 06-22-2016, 08:42 PM

Thank you. I found that out after the fact. Didn't want to pass up on a $750 (msrp) programmer for $300. Fortunately I was given a full refund (minus return shipping of $12). I ended up getting a JB Stage 1 from BMS to start, JB4 will come afterward.

JETmn · 06-24-2016, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jsmorales07

Thank you. I found that out after the fact. Didn't want to pass up on a $750 (msrp) programmer for $300. Fortunately I was given a full refund (minus return shipping of $12). I ended up getting a JB Stage 1 from BMS to start, JB4 will come afterward.

You just wasted more money, get the JB4 from the start.

vivanapoli806 · 06-24-2016, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JETmn

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsmorales07

Thank you. I found that out after the fact. Didn't want to pass up on a $750 (msrp) programmer for $300. Fortunately I was given a full refund (minus return shipping of $12). I ended up getting a JB Stage 1 from BMS to start, JB4 will come afterward.

You just wasted more money, get the JB4 from the start.

I agree why get the stage 1 of your just getting the jb4 anyway. Just get the jb4 and be done

RMNB · 06-30-2016, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JETmn

You just wasted more money, get the JB4 from the start.

+1 JB4 all the way...and Stage 2 while you're at it.

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dzenno Banned 270 Rep 5,876 Posts Drives: Join Date: Feb 2006 iTrader: (1)	Sure but keep in mind putting a big single on n55 is no easier than with the n54 Same space constraints..
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Clap135 Brigadier General 102 Rep 3,460 Posts Drives: 2009 N54 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sticky's Mom House iTrader: (1)	I dont see how you can compare two different turbo set ups and say one engine is better because of the power it makes downlow. You can very well say that 15psi on a n55 up top is lower then 15psi on a n54 up top. Does that mean the n54 is better? No, it means the turbos flow better up top. Slam a fully bolted n54 with 15-16 psi at 3k and you will make over 400wtq just as easy.
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Q4P Colonel 83 Rep 2,291 Posts Drives: Too Much Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: World iTrader: (0)	I dunno, add a proper meth kit with race gas for this bad boy and some slicks to launch it right... who knows? 120 MPH maybe? Whoever does it, don't do it under any circumstance at SAC, the results are always sketch. 114-115 has been trapped before consistently on a proper track without meth and half these parts weren't even available yet. Somebody do this with a manual tranny so as to not blame everything on a fast yet un-launchable DCT.
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jsmorales07 New Member 0 Rep 7 Posts Drives: 2013 BMW 335i Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca iTrader: (0)	Hey guys, I realize these are really old posts, it's my only source of information. I have called Procede and they have no information for me as they haven't made a piggy back system for years. I bought a Vishnu Procede v5 off eBay. The Procede website says it works on ANY n55 2011 and up. I have a 2013 F30 335i, all the plugs and sensors are exactly where the instructions say, except for CANBUS. There is no ECU box under my hood as there is in an e90 and no CANBUS wires to access. Is there ANY way to make this system work on an F30??? Or am I out $300???
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jsmorales07 New Member 0 Rep 7 Posts Drives: 2013 BMW 335i Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca iTrader: (0)	Thank you. I found that out after the fact. Didn't want to pass up on a $750 (msrp) programmer for $300. Fortunately I was given a full refund (minus return shipping of $12). I ended up getting a JB Stage 1 from BMS to start, JB4 will come afterward.
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