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      11-21-2013, 02:02 PM   #23
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Well in europe we actually run hard ALL gears.
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      11-21-2013, 02:08 PM   #24
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Is 4th, especially 5th gear runs that overheat the trans .
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Is 4th, especially 5th gear runs that overheat the trans .
The 1 mile type run certainly seems to be more popular in Europe. I could count on one hand the number of complete 3-4-5 pulls Iíve done, and I donít baby my car.
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      11-21-2013, 02:37 PM   #26
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      11-21-2013, 04:17 PM   #27
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I won't believe that Alpina uses the normal trans from the BMWs.
If you talk about overheating, this should prove that it's not the fact





Watch last clip at 2 min, 4 people 200 MPH.
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      11-21-2013, 04:30 PM   #28
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The transmission is identical, you could swap it with a “normal” N54 6AT and it would bolt up 100%. There’s just no other way to put it. What does 200mph with a heavy car prove regarding different hardware? There are dozens of cars on this board that would hit 200 provided sufficient downforce and stability. The ZF box is pretty damn strong, it’s the software side of things that is screwing us over.


Does the B3 have additional/dedicated trans cooling? That I could certainly believe.
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The 1 mile type run certainly seems to be more popular in Europe. I could count on one hand the number of complete 3-4-5 pulls I’ve done, and I don’t baby my car.
1 mile? :-)

What about 200-250km/h for 500-1000km in a row in Germany....with lots of braking and pulling....very often? Happy to be living 150km from the German autobahn...

Seriously, I should have added a trans cooler, and performed oil changes the proper way... by really cleaning out all old oil film/residu with appropriate fluids... instead of emtpying and refilling the box.

My 2th up to 5th gears were gone, first was harmed, 6th was in normal shape. Funny thing, the car was driving still normal with some noticable slip now and then. Seems that the TCU was adjusting quite well.

I did not had the Alpina flash...

By the way, the DCT seems to keep up very well, running FBO+RB's meth and Ethanol... for more then 30k km's... still spot on...
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Yea…we don’t have those types of roads here haha.

DCT box has continued to surprise me in terms of how much heat it will take. Early results were not promising, but I’ve seen some pretty strong cars running DCT boxes. We’ll see how it holds up long term, at this point we more or less know the ZF 6AT will hold hybrid turbo type power so long as you don’t live above 140mph (which many of you in Europe do, so I guess different life spans for the trannys)
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YeaÖwe donít have those types of roads here haha.

DCT box has continued to surprise me in terms of how much heat it will take. Early results were not promising, but Iíve seen some pretty strong cars running DCT boxes. Weíll see how it holds up long term, at this point we more or less know the ZF 6AT will hold hybrid turbo type power so long as you donít live above 140mph (which many of you in Europe do, so I guess different life spans for the trannys)
Well, we do, you just can't get caught going that fast. Do you know why I pulled you over?
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Well, we do, you just can't get caught going that fast. Do you know why I pulled you over?
No i'm serious...in the DC area....we don't have those types of roads

Get 20 miles outside the beltway and you can find some good spots. But inner loop, you aren't clearing 80mph unless its between say midnight-5am.
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No i'm serious...in the DC area....we don't have those types of roads

Get 20 miles outside the beltway and you can find some good spots. But inner loop, you aren't clearing 80mph unless its between say midnight-5am.
I know the feeling. We have 6 lane highways here, but the people out here can't drive and everyone wants to be in the left lane doing 50 mph. I actually stay in the right lane because I can drive faster. haha
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So everyone is hell bent that no hardware changes occur.....right? But there has been fresh 6hp21's with all kinds of work done to them to include the alpina flash and they still slip. so whats the difference? Do their cars not have as much hp or torque than ours.........just because it's not said or noted on some sheet doesn't mean it didn't happen. There has to be something different
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I have 48K miles on my 08 335xi and haven't noticed any tranny slip yet. I do feel DSC intervention (timing pulls?). How can you tell the difference between tranny slip and DSC intervention?
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Second question: is there a way to use INPA to diagnose AT tranny health? If not, are there any other software tools that can?
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I have 48K miles on my 08 335xi and haven't noticed any tranny slip yet. I do feel DSC intervention (timing pulls?). How can you tell the difference between tranny slip and DSC intervention?
You could turn off traction control no? See if the slip still persists?
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If DSC/DTC is on and revs rise but not speed, likely it's slipping.
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