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335i Reliability and mistake of buying it.
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12-20-2012, 02:41 PM | #67 | |
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The rear main/clutch was done at 40K kms, while under regular warranty. Factory extended didnt cover v/cover gasket after regular ended. Just poor material engineering-nothing more to be said. CPO warranty is a crock. Wish there could be some way to go after BMW for misrepresenting the warranty. I realize it does say no wear/tear items are covered, but doesn't that almost imply nothing is covered on the whole car? Everything is wear and tear! |
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12-20-2012, 02:45 PM | #68 |
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The only thing that really upsets me about BMWs are the waterpumps...it's pretty close to insulting that they fail with frequency on cars with modest mileage (>60K). They've had problems with these for well over a decade now, and so far as I can tell the failure rate is still alarmingly high. I agree with the whole 'pay to play' concept for engine/fueling/ignition issues, but a water pump has virtually nothing to do with "the ultimate driving machine". Just make one that works, end of story.
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12-20-2012, 02:46 PM | #69 | |
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12-20-2012, 03:00 PM | #70 | |
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Enough BMW bashing, but there will not be a second one ever in my driveway. Not cool to worry if the CPO warranty will really cover anything if it goes wrong... especially when you paid more to get a CPO car. |
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12-20-2012, 03:25 PM | #71 | |
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12-20-2012, 03:51 PM | #72 | |
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12-20-2012, 06:24 PM | #73 | |
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Not because it was worn. Nothing else that needed to be replaced was because of abuse, just poor design/materials. |
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12-20-2012, 06:26 PM | #74 | |
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Amen meng! |
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12-20-2012, 11:16 PM | #75 |
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As far as reliability goes it is hard to compare a basic appliance of a car to a more performance oriented luxury car in my honest opinion.
Luxury performance cars are more temperamental due to their advanced technology and greater stress on engine and transmission etc....compared to a run of mill basic economy class car. The goal with economy cars is reliability and affordability. However, even with these economy cars if you get one that has too much luxury features you end up with lot more hassles. As far reliability goes I am in corner of Koreans with their super long 10 year/100K warranty. Also, the build quality has improved by leaps and bounds. As is the case with my wife's Optima Hybrid. On the side note poor Toyota has had some miserable year with regards to reliability and now failing the new safety crash test for Both Camry and Prius with poor ratings. However, I love my BMW and so far my 335i has been under warranty and I have not been stuck with any major issues that could not be taken care of under warranty. I love my E92 N54 335i more then any economy car I have ever driven.
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12-21-2012, 12:37 AM | #76 | |
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That car had ZERO problems. Other than having to replace the clutch and multiple sets of tires, it was completely problem free. Now, I did do timing belt changes and replaced seals and gaskets when I did major service like the timing belts - but all of this was regular maintenance and/or preventive care. It never stranded me, or leaked, or broke down in close to 100K miles over 7 years. Is a 2008 BMW more high tech than a 1991 300ZX TT? Yes. But, that Z was an excellent example of how sound, solid engineering could result in not only superior performance, style, and luxury (Z was a loaded GT car not a pure sports car) but also superior reliability. As for driving enjoyment, or "soul", well, the Z had it in spades. It had exceptional steering feel and the handling was awesome. It was every bit the equal of my 335is in these areas. In short, I refuse to believe that BMW can't design a fantastically performing, luxurious AND reliable car at a fair (not cheap) price. |
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12-21-2012, 02:20 AM | #77 |
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12-22-2012, 01:26 AM | #78 |
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I think that first sentence below in your entire post sums up my point very well. You nailed it on the head you can't compare a 2008 BMW 335i to a 1991 300ZX in overall technology.
As for the in short statement I am with you. I think BMW should be able to provide us with super high technology, super luxurious cars and super high performance cars that never break down. However, then I wake up and realize that I am in reality not fantasy. But for the love of BMW enthusiast all over the world I hope this fantasy turns out right
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12-22-2012, 03:52 AM | #79 | |
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The fact is, BMW is UNABLE to make reliable cars. If they could, don't you think they would. So please stop all this nonsense (cool-aid) about how sophisticated cars are less reliable. Now knowing all the above, I had a more realistic expectations of my '07 335i when I purchased it. I knew I would visit the dealer often, and that it would not be built like a tank (turbos replaced, fuel pump, and multiple seal leaks). I made sure I had extended warranty. And finally made sure to sell it before the warranty expired (100k mi). As for that mystic BMW driving dynamic. I'm happy to say Lexus has found the secret in their '13 GS. After driving the GS350 for the past 5 months, I do not miss the 335i at all. It handles just as well as the 335i, but it rides 10x better. I absolutely love it. And knowing I can drive this puppy beyond 100k miles is just icing on the cake. |
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12-22-2012, 06:13 AM | #80 | |
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Thw pay to play comment really annoys me though. We aren't driving forumula one cars here. In some countries they used BMWs as taxis. Just face it, the n54 was a great concept but not for a mass production car. |
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12-22-2012, 08:23 AM | #82 |
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111k miles, 60k of those tuned no major issues...
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12-22-2012, 08:43 AM | #83 |
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5yrs & STILL RUNNING GREAT
Ok - the 07' 335i is supose to be the one to stay away from due to reliability.
. Well I beleive that most buyers are really complaining about & seeing the results of an inadequate "maintenance schedule". Yes - the 335i requires the OLD SCHOOL BMW maint & most 335i's are neglected with only inferrior standard maint. . Buying a used 335i without CPO and History is a mistake. . My CPO 335i - purchased with low miles and smothered with maintenance - purrs like only an in-line twin turbo 6 can. . 5yrs and 80k she still has my riders -- saying WOW! . The thermostat / waterpump is and continues to be the one design flaw that I really hate. . I have not seen a 4dr Car that even comes close to the value and performance of my 335i. I plan to keep her another 80k --- so keep on trashing and complaining about reliability. I'll just keep laughing at you and your lack of traditional maintenance. |
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12-22-2012, 10:09 AM | #84 |
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As for that mystic BMW driving dynamic. I'm happy to say Lexus has found the secret in their '13 GS. After driving the GS350 for the past 5 months, I do not miss the 335i at all. It handles just as well as the 335i, but it rides 10x better. I absolutely love it. And knowing I can drive this puppy beyond 100k miles is just icing on the cake.[/QUOTE] I did extensive research on the GS before I bought my E92. The point of my car was the driving dynamic and performance. I do canyon runs twice a week and needed a car that would deliver the feedback and thrill through the hairpins. I drove my sisters 13 GS through the mountains and the weight and body roll killed the performance of the car (steering was vague too). Lexus may be more reliable... but does it feel as connected as a E9x? No way. |
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12-22-2012, 01:02 PM | #85 | |
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The more i drive the GS the more I prefer if over my 335i with Sport Package. It may not be as connected as the 335i given its larger size and extra 400lbs. But it's damn close. Lexus has completely changed how their cars handle with the GS. All I know is I do not miss the 335i at all. Maybe the acceleration. It's a lot of fun driving a turbo car. Aside from handling, BMW has nothing on Toyota/Lexus in terms of reliability. The 335i was a blast until it hits 60k miles. It's almost like a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. Previously my '01 330ci transmission broke at 60k. Yes 60k miles I was facing a $4k transmission repair. Interestingly last week my coworker told me the water pump on his '10 335i coupe with 52k miles broke. It cost him $1,600. So my advice is, have some money set aside if you plan on owning a BMW past warranty. And finally, take your car to an independent mechanic to have it checked out for problems about 5k miles before your warrant expire. That $150 will be well spent. |
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12-22-2012, 01:13 PM | #86 | |
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The only times I've been able to get up any decent speed have been on I-5 coming back to LA from SFO in late December (spend about 1-2 min above 100 in spurts), and coming back from Las Vegas in April on I-15 at 4 am where I was able to stay at 100 for a good while. Both times that was in my E39 528i. Both well over a year ago. Both times protected by Valentine One. Practically zero time above 100 in the E92 Need to take another road trip in winter when there's not so many damn tourists... Update on my E92 335i: I had the valve cover gasket and oil filter housing gasket replaced under warranty at 49.8k miles. My advice: Have an indie BMW tech take a look at your engine before warranty expires (good time to get your valves cleaned too). Then when you come in for service complain about specific things "I see a leak here". They are not allowed to go "fishing" for problems to repair under warranty, but they are obligated to look into your complaints and check for problems. Then they can fix the problems they find.
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12-22-2012, 01:13 PM | #87 | |
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i just got rid of mine at 75xxx miles . . . its not worth it to keep something with joke reliability because it has "that special driving dynamic" LOL just for fun i encourage everyone to drive an F30, it has NO driving dynamic and feels as disconnected a lexus . |
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Also, what went wrong with your '07 335i? Is it in a previous post? Quote:
It also pays to find a BMW center with a good reputation for service (ask around here), and find an SA you can work with, and then give him/her good ratings on the after-service survey. That's how the system works.
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