[Litos]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

I just saw this statement...I would not have any tune touch that car until you get an OC.

why !?!?

plenty of cars run tunes with no problems without OC.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

No Oil cooler? No good.

[Noah@CamberToe]

Originally Posted by E90Vader

Well, after waiting 2 weeks for my Vishnu Procede it looks like they are having boarder delays and can't get me my tune by the 19th when I get everything installed in my car. Since I'm actively training as a branch manager and it will be near impossible to take any more time off for several months after the 19th, and to arrange for transportation to and from S.E calgary - Crossfields so I can drop my car off at the shop I decided to go with a GIAC.

Tunerworks does lots of GIAC re flashes for 335i's

What do you guys think about GIAC Stage 1?
I'm concerned it won't have nearly as much power as JB or Vishnu from the numbers I have seen, however I also know it will feel a little nicer as the power band is much smoother and closer to stock.

Will I even notice the power difference per if I were to jump in a vishnu car? or is the GIAC my best bet.

GIAC is great man you'll love it.

[BQTuning]

Originally Posted by Litos

why !?!?

plenty of cars run tunes with no problems without OC.

Monkey see monkey do ?

[plague]

Originally Posted by Litos

look how bumpy those blue lines are compared to the green lines.

green lines are just so smooth and linear....

holy shit. true.

[marv85]

Originally Posted by kjrulz

I <3 the title.

[tscdennab]

I would highly recommend GIAC, I think it's the most stable and refined tune out there. It's so linear and lag-free, even more so than factory software. I keep reading about problems with other tunes: misfires with Procede, timing control problems with JB4, car accelerating for 1-2 seconds after depressing the accelerator with Cobb. No one had anything bad to say about GIAC until now (Dinan also seems very stable).

OP, if you choose GIAC I will guarantee that you will be very happy. It's a no-maintenance tune, you don't have to worry about anything going wrong, you will just enjoy the smooth power. If you want more, you can always get the Stage 2 and Stage 2 Race and keep up with any tune out there (I made 10whp more on GIAC Stage 2 Race than a JB4 on Map 7 with meth injection, and 10hp less with Stage 2 than a JB4 on map 2 - similar mods, same dyno).

As for the power levels, GIAC Stage 1 adds 55-60whp on average which is chosen as the maximum safest power level with the stock hardware. You can't get more from other tunes at the same boost levels and timing advance values. But of course you can push your engine more but the engine will not be very happy.

[Litos]

ok, so go get GIAC flash.

then, when your pump takes a massive shit on you, tow your junk BACK to wherever you got your GIAC so they can remove it.

THEN, tow your junk to the dealer.

THEN, when you get your junk back from the dealer, go back to load the GIAC.

sounds aweesome, right !?!?

i don't even think you can see any parameters on a GIAC via logs, can you !?!?

[TiAg335i]

I have no oil cooler and have remained at the same oil temps with the Cobb 93 octane map after two or three hard pulls. Temp was cool in the mid 40's to 50's. Have experience no overheating thus far *knock on wood*. It all depends on how you drive it, as long as you aren't flogging it every corner you'll be good. Give the oil time to cool down between pulls.

[TiAg335i]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

I just saw this statement...I would not have any tune touch that car until you get an OC.

Not necessarily true. For average folk who dont track the car and don't have an oil cooler or FMIC, you really won't overheat by doing a couple of pulls here and there. Outside temp of course makes a difference and if you live in Texas or something I would give an oil cooler serious consideration.

[tscdennab]

Originally Posted by TiAg335i

I have no oil cooler and have remained at the same oil temps with the Cobb 93 octane map after two or three hard pulls. Temp was cool in the mid 40's to 50's. Have experience no overheating thus far *knock on wood*. It all depends on how you drive it, as long as you aren't flogging it every corner you'll be good. Give the oil time to cool down between pulls.

One important parameter is the EGT (exhaust gas temperature). This is one parameter that can measure how safe the engine is running and how much headroom you have to play with. The more "stock" hardware you have, the higher the EGT is if you add too much boost and timing. This may not show in the oil temperatures.

[BQTuning]

Originally Posted by TiAg335i

Not necessarily true. For average folk who dont track the car and don't have an oil cooler or FMIC, you really won't overheat by doing a couple of pulls here and there. Outside temp of course makes a difference and if you live in Texas or something I would give an oil cooler serious consideration.

When you start adding more heat then you are asking for trouble. Be that it hasnt happened yet doesnt mean its not on its way.

It is not a recommendation to increase boost with no OC. No engineer or knowledgable tuner would recommend such a thing. That is completely insane and being CHEAP or just trying to save.

Now, yes, I would agree if you live in a geograph where the weather is average below 50 degrees then you dont need one to an extent, or you drive the car seasonally.

The OP expressed he uses the car for "work" ie he is a road warrior. He needs to have controlled temps if he is going to increase boost.

[E90Vader]

GIAC as a controller that switches maps. I switch map back to stock, take it to dealer and I'll have no issues. They can even re-flash my ECU and since its currently set to stock it won't delete the GIAC. When I get my car back I flash it back.

If for whatever reason there is a hiccup and my GIAC is gone, I take it into tuner works * 30 min drive from my house and they spend an hour re installing it $100.00 bucks *

Does seem pretty easy!

Now, I've read that I'll have a Race map designed for race gas.
With just a DIC, how much additional WHP can I get with using Race Gas? Is it even safe to do so?

[Longboarder]

Hey OP,

When you chip your car (with whatever chip you decide on), one thing will be clear to you - 1st gear traction will be a problem.

So why not go with a chip that has an integrated traction control feature that allows for full boost in 1st gear and depending on conditions, will reduce torque at the millisecond level and allow you to actually use all that extra power.

Proceed V5 has such a feature and it is incredible.

[E90Vader]

I wont be using launch control ever so I don't feel its a requirement.
Now for the V5 does it automatically adjust? I don't want to have to worry about adjusting things to get launch or something of that nature, I'm not tech savvy and like to just step on it and go.

I will have traction control on 99.9% of the time so I'm not worried, it will work for me and my tires should be sticky and wide enough for good grip.
I rarely even change DCT to limited.


As for a "road warrior" I don't get road rage, so I will be fine lol.
Plus my commute to work is the opposite of traffic each way, highway driving. I have not seen rush hour traffic for the past 3 months!

[Litos]

Originally Posted by E90Vader

If for whatever reason there is a hiccup and my GIAC is gone, I take it into tuner works * 30 min drive from my house and they spend an hour re installing it $100.00 bucks *

damn - that sucks.

[mycoupe]

The Procede plots in those graphs had a bit more area under the curve than the GIAC. Not a ton, but enough to make a noticeable difference. Not only that, but the majority of that extra power was made in the more usable rpm range. I've never been in a GIAC car, but I can tell you from experience that the Procede is extremely driver friendly and very comfortable for daily driving.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by TiAg335i

I have no oil cooler and have remained at the same oil temps with the Cobb 93 octane map after two or three hard pulls. Temp was cool in the mid 40's to 50's. Have experience no overheating thus far *knock on wood*. It all depends on how you drive it, as long as you aren't flogging it every corner you'll be good. Give the oil time to cool down between pulls.

Wait till it hits mid 80-90's with humidity in the summer.

I just drove on the highway just now... 20 min drive no more then 5 psi ever at one given time.. Sat on 245 oil temps with an oil cooler.

I find it hard to believe you will be able to maintain 250F or less oil temps in the summer. Even so its not even worth the hassle of having to slow up because you cant WOT on your car for more then a few pulls.

Not to mention maintaining 240 oil temps is already scorching hot as 98% of other cars out their average 190 oil temps.

There are 3 ways to modify vehicles. Fast, Reliable, Cheap. You can only pick 2 though. I prefer the Fast and the reliable part.

Ive already steered way pass the scope of this thread though.

I'll let you guys figure things out.

[E90Vader]

Originally Posted by Litos

damn - that sucks.

I meant if there is a hiccup at the dealer. 99% of the time when they re-flash, as long as you turned your maps back to stock the GIAC won't disappear.

Either way, I had my ECU re-flashed by the dealer about 3 months ago, I doubt They'll be doing it again for quite a while so I have nothing to worry about.

I'm really warming up to the GIAC, I'm even getting excited!
If anything I like the fact that there will not be as many of us out there, JB4 here, Proceed there, GIAC not as many.

What I'm curious to know is out of how many people saying Procede is the best, or JB4 is the best, have actually owned or driven both? How many Procede owners have also driven a GIAC or vice versa??
It seems like someone buys a Procede, loves it and then says its the shit and nothing else can compare, or the same with JB4, its complete fanboyism!

From what I have read about the people who have owned both GIAC and Procede, the all decided to go with GIAC, and the members who really want the most performance get GIAC stage 2 and never look back.
I'm sure those individuals as well have previously owned JB or PRocede.

Again just saying

[TiAg335i]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

Wait till it hits mid 80-90's with humidity in the summer.

I just drove on the highway just now... 20 min drive no more then 5 psi ever at one given time.. Sat on 245 oil temps with an oil cooler.

I find it hard to believe you will be able to maintain 250F or less oil temps in the summer. Even so its not even worth the hassle of having to slow up because you cant WOT on your car for more then a few pulls.

There are 3 ways to modify vehicles. Fast, Reliable, Cheap. You can only pick 2 though. I prefer the Fast and the reliable part.

I have no doubt it will run pretty hot in the summer after a few pulls. I personally don't drive like a maniac and if I see my oil temps creeping up over 260 I'll take it easy...I guess if I had an oil cooler and FMIC I wouldn't face these problems....it's only over 80F here 2 months out of the year, the rest of the time we are stuck in permafrost, lol.

[E90Vader]

Originally Posted by TiAg335i

I have no doubt it will run pretty hot in the summer after a few pulls. I personally don't drive like a maniac and if I see my oil temps creeping up over 260 I'll take it easy...I guess if I had an oil cooler and FMIC I wouldn't face these problems....it's only over 80F here 2 months out of the year, the rest of the time we are stuck in permafrost, lol.

I'm the same way. I live in Calgary Alberta.. It snows 10 months out of the year and rains solid for 1 month..... Our weather is ridiculous..... If it was Cali It would be a different story.

[E90Vader]

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