[1POINT9]

Holding door open and tapping fingers............ :iono:

Nawww just kidding.. In all seriousness.. I guess it depends on what you are looking for. For me its more than just brute power or noteriety for what I am driving..
Its a combination of the experience as a whole.. I think BMW offers many levels of enjoyment all in "1" package..

Either way.. both cars will bring years of joy I am sure..

[The Stig]

Originally Posted by larryn

You are obviously torn about buying a foreign car, Deutsch. IIRC you started the why not buy American thread and now you're looking to do just that. Go for the Camaro if it makes you happy. It's a cool looking concept, and it probably will be a decent car, but I highly doubt it can hold a candle to the 135i on the twisties (or likely in a straight line), but as long as it makes you happy...

Ok, so you're saying a 300 hp 6 cylinder will run with a 430 hp V8 when the cars will probably only have about a 400 lb difference.

I HIGHLY doubt that.

[The Stig]

Originally Posted by onehots2k

Fellas I can see where your coming from. But the Camaro?? Oh nooo. I mean you know Chevy is going to water that down so it looks like a rental car mustang. I would take the Dodge Challenger. That thing is going to be ROCKIN. I stray away sometime from my 1 series but I keep on coming back.

Actually it has been said by insiders at GM, including Bob Lutz himself that they only way they could tell the difference between the Concept and the Production version of the Camaro was the door handles and the wheels, and maybe the side mirrors.

Otherwise, it is supposed to remain unchanged on the outside and also mostly unchanged on the inside as well.

[larryn]

Originally Posted by HH007

Ok, so you're saying a 300 hp 6 cylinder will run with a 430 hp V8 when the cars will probably only have about a 400 lb difference.

I HIGHLY doubt that.

Have you ever seen a stock Ford Mustang Cobra on the autocross course? It's a tail happy fun thing to watch, but it gets eaten alive by a LOT lesser cars than even my e90 330i.

[atr_hugo]

Originally Posted by larryn

Have you ever seen a stock Ford Mustang Cobra on the autocross course? It's a tail happy fun thing to watch, but it gets eaten alive by a LOT lesser cars than even my e90 330i.

Why that's like watching a weimaraner chasing a poodle around in a mobile home. ; -)

[Deutsch]

I've come to the conclusion that i'M going to keep my options completely open and set aside the slightly retarded nationalist pride. I've heard that there will be an A5 2.0T, so I'm going to include that on my list as well.

[brfbmw128i]

Originally Posted by Brookside

Corvette's? Camaro's?
Two of the smartest guys on this site having second thoughts?
Look, I know that keeping an open mind is a sign of intelligence but it's way too early
for a fog to set in.
Me- I'm more sure than I've ever been. The 1-er might be the coolest best looking car BMW
makes.
My second thoughts might appear when we finally see some $#'s...:biggrin::biggrin:

im on the same boat as brookside, i looked at every car possible, and when i thought i was done; i looked again...the 1-Series has got me sprung. unless price says other wise, im a 1-er all day.:headbang:

[imported_tdc]

I think Deutsch just watched Transformers recently. :wink:

The new Camaros don't come with Megan Fox unfortunately.

[brfbmw128i]

Originally Posted by tdc

I think Deutsch just watched Transformers recently. :wink:

The new Camaros don't come with Megan Fox unfortunately.

:eyebulge:so that means they do transform though.........right man i think i want a camaro now.

[Deutsch]

Originally Posted by larryn

I have a 10 year old BMW. As long as you properly maintain it.. you're good to go. I even track and autocross the car a LOT. It's still extremely dependable.

I think the recent BMW offerings are of even higher quality. Plus, you don't have to pay anything for quite a few years (including brake pads and even windshield wipers)... GM won't do that, and there's a reason they won't.

Well said and very true. Looking at more information(in particular on Bimmerfest, BMW's don't cost that much more to maintain than any other car. For some reason people like to make a much to do about nothing(myself included) - a common mis-perception then? Fact is you get what you pay for, and for this level of quality and engineering, there is a price. But it's not that bad.

Originally Posted by tdc

I think Deutsch just watched Transformers recently. :wink:

The new Camaros don't come with Megan Fox unfortunately.

Very true. I love the Camaro, a great looking car, the more I think about it though there are a lot of questions I have, especially in regards to long term ownership. I just don't see this car being as solid as one from a German/Japanese make.

[FinInk]

I wouldnt blame you if you got the new SS. It's fast, looks nice, and is probably easily modable (LS motors ftw).

[ice13water]

did u just watch transformers

that movie made me consider the car

[bmwzimmer]

Just pick up the 6yr/100K extended maintenance for 800-1000. That's not bad at all... Then you don't have to pay for anything but tires and gas for that period. After 100K miles, get rid of the car.

[9600baud]

Camaro? You want a mullet and a wifebeater to go with it? I hear WalMart is hiring.

[gwballin]

Originally Posted by Deutsch

I've come to the conclusion that i'M going to keep my options completely open and set aside the slightly retarded nationalist pride. I've heard that there will be an A5 2.0T, so I'm going to include that on my list as well.

I have only ever owned "american" cars (american in quotes since my gto was not built in the US) but never because they were american. I pick the car that best suites my wants at my budget and go from there. Luckily now my budget allows me a very wide array of choices and this is the first time I'm seriously considering a BMW. The camaro is also on my short list and so is the challenger (so long as it comes with the rumored 6.4 liter "hemi" and handles as well the srt8 charger)

The only thing I know for sure is that I'm all over the place from day to day and can't even think about making a choice until each and every car on the list is test driven (a couple of times)