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330i / 335i Make MSN's '10 used cars to avoid'
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10-17-2012, 01:11 PM | #68 |
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truedelta's reliability results are interesting:
http://truedelta.com/BMW-3-Series/reliability-13 It only breaks things down by engine for 2007 to 2009, but the results show that neither the 328i nor 335i are particularly low in frequency of repair. For 2007s, the 335i actually bettered the 328i, and the 2009 numbers are fairly close. 2008 doesn't look good for the 335i however. Nor the M3 for that matter. |
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10-17-2012, 02:27 PM | #70 |
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10-17-2012, 05:09 PM | #71 | |
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10-17-2012, 05:26 PM | #72 |
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...well I do have a life .. something you might find...boring. You on the other hand...you have 6,548 posts (?!), the vast majority of them negative...all about a @#%$^&% car ....this is sad. Some health professionals might find this ..."intriguing"...I wanted to end this with a LOL....I couldn't..
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10-17-2012, 05:29 PM | #73 |
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If BMW didn't have much confidence in it they wouldn't of put it in the 1M and 335is..... BMW switched b/c the n55 is less expensive and is able to produce the effectively the same power more efficiently. it's a cost cutting measure, along with efficiency.
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10-18-2012, 12:53 AM | #75 |
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There's a sticky at the top of this sub-forum dedicated to this thing. I recommend you spend some time with it: it's good information.
However, in a nutshell: HPFP = High pressure fuel pump. It was a problem area on the x35 engines (X3 turbo, 335, 135, 535 models). It tended to fail fairly regularly, usually leaving the owner in a reduced-power "limp mode" engine state. The very latest versions of these car models seem to have licked the problem. Older versions have been retrofitted with the new fuel pumps, which should mean even they should be relatively problem free now.
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10-18-2012, 08:21 AM | #76 | |
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Not only about cost cutting and efficiency, but you've practically halved the possibility of turbo-related failure. I'm not 100% sure how this turned out in reality, but I would also assume it left a bit more room for heat dissipation. I could be wrong on that, but it would help as well. |
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10-18-2012, 10:25 AM | #78 | |
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10-18-2012, 11:51 AM | #79 | |
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10-23-2012, 05:37 PM | #80 | |
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Please do not supply results from surveys that "test" customer's perceptions ( = NO REAL PROOF is required during the survey to show the car had problems or not) like JD Power. Another very good example: Consumer Reports that gathers their data from [CR] readers that have the time or interest to fill their forms and send them back to the editors. This data is totally messed up...this sample ( of CR readers among the large mass of BMW owners)...is their data collection undertaken in a way to ensure that will allow valid conclusions to be drawn ? Not at all I would say....the vast majority of BMW owners (...go and check who these people really are or pay a visit to one of the dealers and take a look on who's buying these cars) are in their vast majority very busy people, people that don't have time for this ...after a 10- 14 hours of work per day believe me you don't want to read CR nor to fill in their stupid surveys. E90Post is not a reliable source either. This community is rather made of "enthusiasts" (that I appreciate as they are very informative ) and a gathering point for those I described last week. Here you also have a small but very prolific and troubled minority ("ragingclue" and others) that will post negative comments , many thousands of them, harassing anyone who has a different experience. Their large number of negative comments become later on a " a known fact" used against anyone who disagrees with them. Again, the very few real data surveys I've seen ( coming from northern Europe where all technical incidents are required to be reported to a third party) show no big difference between BMW 3 series and his competitors. Last edited by RMG; 10-24-2012 at 07:18 AM.. |
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11-02-2012, 04:14 AM | #81 |
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same with my 2008 335i E90, had it since new. All hell broke loose around 2 years into ownership. I like 335i and still miss it to this day but everytime I remind myself of the potential issues I am glad I am out of that now.
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11-02-2012, 04:44 AM | #82 |
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11-02-2012, 12:19 PM | #83 |
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When I bought my 2001 ML430, I was later horrified by all the negative press and owners problems with this rig......I was sure I had a POS rig.
11 years later, 163K miles the following is what I have to replace on the ML: Spark Plugs (once at 100K miles) Air filters - 4 times Oil and oil filters Tires Warranty replacements: Fuel pump Cat converters Bottom line its been an excellent rig despite the bad press and owner issues. Why is this is.....because people are more inclined to jeer than to cheer.....even on enthusiasts websites.....by the way CR gets their reliability data from owner surveys.....referenced the "jeer than to cheer" statement.....ergo skewed data sets. -Kevin |
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11-02-2012, 06:41 PM | #84 |
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some perspective
It seems like everytime one of these threads come up- it becomes an opportunity for people to bash on the 335 or say 328 is better for whatever reason. Does the 335 have the potential for problems- absolutely. Have they made an attempt to deal with them- for the most part i think they have with the extended fuel pump warranty and wastegate warranty. Coming from the world of infiniti and nissan, i never thought that bmws were reliable- but they are well built cars that deliver driving satisfaction. This is a production twin turbo car people, not a camry or honda vtech engine for people that never even look under the hood. Can you imagine the reliability rating the toyota Supra twin turbo would have gotten if it had been made in the numbers that the 335 has? the fact that this car even got made is impressive to me. If i want basic transportation, i have a 12 year old Nissan pathfinder (also listed as a used car to avoid....it has been very reliable except for the o2 sensors which was fixed by a ecu flash). My first 335 had zero problems in the two years i had it( not a long stretch by any means) and i drove it pretty hard. I'm hoping this second one with cpo warranty is the same- but either way i'm glad i have it as cars are getting too watered down to basic appliances that have no personality. I think the initial fuel pump problem skewed the results to what is otherwise a great car for the money. Should people buy them used with no warranty? I would say no but i would say that for any expensive german import. i'm not drinking kool aid here- just stating that the N54 is a great engine and properly taken care of is quite solid.
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11-02-2012, 07:19 PM | #86 |
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They use the n54 engine in the m135i and the 335is, I believe.
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12-05-2012, 01:21 PM | #88 | |
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There are some issues with onboard electronic depending on MY (airbag, window regulators, door locks), albeit these are "common" issues, they remain rare. Its not too bad really, but you have to provision for some "maintenance/repair" money every year. |
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