MY CAR!!!

MonacoBimm · 09-29-2006, 06:58 PM

I polished/detailed my car about a month ago. The guy who polished the paint, said he was a pro. He was reccomended to me because he had polished other luxury cars like ferrari and aston martin. So I hired him toi polish my car. He polishes it on a thurday night, took him about 3 hours. The next day my hood is all kind of shadowed, my guess it is the buff marks from the machined, It is al swirled with buffing machine marks. He told me he sanded a little bit with a fine sanding paper, to eliminate some scratches. I think what he did was that he took paint of the car. Or he reduced a lot of the clear. So now I think, that the buff marks, are due to the lack of natural shine, (since it doesnt shine at all). My car looks like it was 5 years old, and had passed through long winters and lots of sunlight. I dont know what this could be? Is there any way of fixing it, Am I wrong? He sais hes comming on Monday to fix it, But I think the damage is done? Should I have to repaint it??

Here are some pics taken with my phone, It think its clear there.+

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///Matt · 09-29-2006, 07:18 PM

Wait and see what he does to fix it before you get antsy. After he fixes it, inspect and decide. If it's damaged, he has to repaint it.

matt

MonacoBimm · 09-29-2006, 07:30 PM

Can anyone see what I am talking about in the pictures?????

///Matt · 09-29-2006, 07:51 PM

only barely

MonacoBimm · 09-29-2006, 08:23 PM

There are like rainbows that are seen when you pass around the car. It can be seen from different angles, and it reflects perfectly in the light.

matt20043.0 · 09-29-2006, 10:41 PM

He should be able to get those out. I do that to my car all the time and I just have to take a little more time to get it right.

shimshimhada · 09-29-2006, 10:59 PM

Uh, if he used sandpaper on a brand new car, I wouldn't want him touching my car again anytime soon.

Watch him screw up the paint even more. I say find someone from autopia to fix it for you.

MonacoBimm · 09-30-2006, 06:31 PM

I think that, he scraped a little layer of paint off. Bceause since I have sapphire black I understand it is not supposed to be dark black and dark as Lexus black. Because of the metallic paint. But I think it should be a little darker. When the sun hits, you could see all the imperfections.

MonacoBimm · 09-30-2006, 06:35 PM

So in the scenario that in some parts of my hood he wiped off the clear coat with the sanding paper or the buffing machine. How could I make that to its original state. Is clear coat some kind of paint. Or is just the paint itself? If repainting is necessary then the clear coat would have to be applied after painted black? Or does it just appaer with the paint itself?

ga-bmwdrvr · 09-30-2006, 06:49 PM

Those look like hologams from improper technique with a rotary buffer. A lot of "pros" leave them when they do not know what they are doing. You see this happen often when cars are "detailed" at paint & body shops. If he has any clue about detailing he should be able to fix it.

edit: the holograms are fine scratches on the clear coat most likely made by the edge of the polishing pad. It will look dull in those areas.

ga-bmwdrvr · 09-30-2006, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonacoBimm

So in the scenario that in some parts of my hood he wiped off the clear coat with the sanding paper or the buffing machine. How could I make that to its original state. Is clear coat some kind of paint. Or is just the paint itself? If repainting is necessary then the clear coat would have to be applied after painted black? Or does it just appaer with the paint itself?

If you can not feel any scratches with your fingernail it should be fixable with a proper polish. The clear coat sits on top of the regular paint. I doubt he burned through the clear coat unless he was really aggressive. If he did burn or sand through then the only fix is a repaint. I still don't understand why he wetsanded, that's just scary!

ga-bmwdrvr · 09-30-2006, 06:57 PM

Check out the holograms on the first pic: http://autopia.org/forum/showthread....ight=holograms
then look at the afters, there is still hope

shimshimhada · 09-30-2006, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ga-bmwdrvr

Check out the holograms on the first pic: http://autopia.org/forum/showthread....ight=holograms
then look at the afters, there is still hope

Hope, but not from the guy who induced them. I would tell him to pay me money for repairs.

MonacoBimm · 09-30-2006, 07:35 PM

Wow thanks a lot Ga-Bmwdrvr. Thanks for the response. That was just the answer i was looking for. I think there is hope because I dont feel the scratches with my fingernail. I really think it can be fixed. And that red s2000 paint damage is very similar to what I have, the guy who polished it left it immaculate. So on Monday I have the appointment with the guy. I am going to strictly tell him to not wetsand the car or else Ill have him pay for the repaint job. Im going to ask for perfection from him. And he will make the car right again!

MonacoBimm · 09-30-2006, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by shimshimhada

Hope, but not from the guy who induced them. I would tell him to pay me money for repairs.

Yes that is true. But since ive seen other works from the guy which seem to be good. I think that the guy must be able to fix the car. So I am going to have him check my car and fix it on Monday. If not I will tell him to pay for repairs.

shimshimhada · 09-30-2006, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonacoBimm

Yes that is true. But since ive seen other works from the guy which seem to be good. I think that the guy must be able to fix the car. So I am going to have him check my car and fix it on Monday. If not I will tell him to pay for repairs.

Hope he does. Actually, I would rather have him just completely ruin it, because I'm thinking that if he actually fixes it, your clearcoat will be dangerously thin.

Master Deep · 09-30-2006, 09:51 PM

Yep, holograms. When I picked up my JB e90 from the dealer, the dealer detailed it w/ a rotory and then put some wax on top. After the first wash, I see holograms all over my hood and trunk. I'm pretty sure it's fixable w/ just a PC and some moderate cutting polish, followed by fine polish, and then a sealing/waxing routine of your choice. Try some Menzerna polishes.

That guy doesn't know how to use a Rotory. And there's no reason to use a Rotory on a new car. A PC (Good Random Orbital)would have worked fine. There's pretty much no way to damage your paint with that unless you drop it on the car.

I personally don't have a PC, so I'm gonna take it to a trusted pro/bmw enthusiast to do it for me. I've seen his work and it is amazing. So find a skilled detailer, and maybe talk to some of the guys he did work for and try him.

Make sure that he fixes it before he waxes it. Inspect it after he's done polishing. Tell us what products he used if you can. Wax hides A LOT of the holograms. That is what I'm doing right now. So the guy might just hide most of the holograms and leave. Once you wash it, you will see them all again...maybe worse this time if you didn't "fix" it properly.

MonacoBimm · 09-30-2006, 09:56 PM

Yes, that is what I did. Actually he has detailed cars for the expresident, and some rich people here in Panama. He has detailed Ferraris and Aston Martins. Thats why I thought he was experienced and everything. But he completely missed my car. On Monday I will have him fix the car or if not he will pay repairs. I have a question, is the clear coat so weak that it will eventually get dangeroulsy thin. Shimshimhada? I am now beggining to get worried.. Again-!

MonacoBimm · 09-30-2006, 10:02 PM

I remember that the last time he used Sonax and 3m.

Master Deep · 09-30-2006, 10:19 PM

Hmm, I wonder which 3M he used, because some of them are very abrasive.

Your clearcoat is very thin from the factory. That's why you only do some light polishing to remove the swirls. You always start with the least abrasive polish and work your way up. If you use an abrasive polish or compound, you take off more clear than needed. And then once it gets too low, I beilve the only thing you can do is repaint, which is very very expensive.

http://www.autopia.org/

Read up on that site and you will learn a lot about detailing.

MonacoBimm · 09-30-2006, 10:25 PM

If you guys would have to judge. Do you think I have a very thin clear coat? After maybe 2 polishes, one from the dealer before delivery and the one that ruined the car? Judging from that, do you think that i have a realy thin clear coat, and also judging from the pictures? I assume he used abravise 3m products. Do you guys think that from the 2 polishes assuming they were full hard polsihes, my clearcoat will be very very thin after he fixes it on Monday?

ga-bmwdrvr · 10-01-2006, 07:54 AM

Really good proffesional detailers often have a meter to measure how thick the paint is. Maybe he has one.

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MonacoBimm Banned 44 Rep 1,859 Posts Drives: Sapp. Black 330i(2nd e90) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Panama City, Panama iTrader: (1)	MY CAR!!! I polished/detailed my car about a month ago. The guy who polished the paint, said he was a pro. He was reccomended to me because he had polished other luxury cars like ferrari and aston martin. So I hired him toi polish my car. He polishes it on a thurday night, took him about 3 hours. The next day my hood is all kind of shadowed, my guess it is the buff marks from the machined, It is al swirled with buffing machine marks. He told me he sanded a little bit with a fine sanding paper, to eliminate some scratches. I think what he did was that he took paint of the car. Or he reduced a lot of the clear. So now I think, that the buff marks, are due to the lack of natural shine, (since it doesnt shine at all). My car looks like it was 5 years old, and had passed through long winters and lots of sunlight. I dont know what this could be? Is there any way of fixing it, Am I wrong? He sais hes comming on Monday to fix it, But I think the damage is done? Should I have to repaint it?? Here are some pics taken with my phone, It think its clear there.+
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///Matt United States Marine 318 Rep 2,748 Posts Drives: 2007 Dodge Ram 1500 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (8) Garage List 2006 330i [0.00]	Wait and see what he does to fix it before you get antsy. After he fixes it, inspect and decide. If it's damaged, he has to repaint it. matt
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MonacoBimm Banned 44 Rep 1,859 Posts Drives: Sapp. Black 330i(2nd e90) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Panama City, Panama iTrader: (1)	Can anyone see what I am talking about in the pictures?????
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MonacoBimm Banned 44 Rep 1,859 Posts Drives: Sapp. Black 330i(2nd e90) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Panama City, Panama iTrader: (1)	There are like rainbows that are seen when you pass around the car. It can be seen from different angles, and it reflects perfectly in the light.
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matt20043.0 Private First Class 3 Rep 188 Posts Drives: BMW 2006 325i Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Modesto, Ca iTrader: (0)	He should be able to get those out. I do that to my car all the time and I just have to take a little more time to get it right. __________________ 2006 325i SG Metallic Premium/Sport 3M Clear Bra, Chrome Tips, Black Line Tail Lights, Flat Black Grille
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shimshimhada Brigadier General 442 Rep 4,838 Posts Drives: Portal Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portal iTrader: (2)	Uh, if he used sandpaper on a brand new car, I wouldn't want him touching my car again anytime soon. Watch him screw up the paint even more. I say find someone from autopia to fix it for you.
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MonacoBimm Banned 44 Rep 1,859 Posts Drives: Sapp. Black 330i(2nd e90) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Panama City, Panama iTrader: (1)	I think that, he scraped a little layer of paint off. Bceause since I have sapphire black I understand it is not supposed to be dark black and dark as Lexus black. Because of the metallic paint. But I think it should be a little darker. When the sun hits, you could see all the imperfections.
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MonacoBimm Banned 44 Rep 1,859 Posts Drives: Sapp. Black 330i(2nd e90) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Panama City, Panama iTrader: (1)	So in the scenario that in some parts of my hood he wiped off the clear coat with the sanding paper or the buffing machine. How could I make that to its original state. Is clear coat some kind of paint. Or is just the paint itself? If repainting is necessary then the clear coat would have to be applied after painted black? Or does it just appaer with the paint itself?
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ga-bmwdrvr First Lieutenant 21 Rep 327 Posts Drives: E21 320i, E90 330i Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Georgia iTrader: (0)	Those look like hologams from improper technique with a rotary buffer. A lot of "pros" leave them when they do not know what they are doing. You see this happen often when cars are "detailed" at paint & body shops. If he has any clue about detailing he should be able to fix it. edit: the holograms are fine scratches on the clear coat most likely made by the edge of the polishing pad. It will look dull in those areas.
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ga-bmwdrvr First Lieutenant 21 Rep 327 Posts Drives: E21 320i, E90 330i Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Georgia iTrader: (0)	Check out the holograms on the first pic: http://autopia.org/forum/showthread....ight=holograms then look at the afters, there is still hope
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09-30-2006, 07:35 PM	#14
MonacoBimm Banned 44 Rep 1,859 Posts Drives: Sapp. Black 330i(2nd e90) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Panama City, Panama iTrader: (1)	Wow thanks a lot Ga-Bmwdrvr. Thanks for the response. That was just the answer i was looking for. I think there is hope because I dont feel the scratches with my fingernail. I really think it can be fixed. And that red s2000 paint damage is very similar to what I have, the guy who polished it left it immaculate. So on Monday I have the appointment with the guy. I am going to strictly tell him to not wetsand the car or else Ill have him pay for the repaint job. Im going to ask for perfection from him. And he will make the car right again!
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Master Deep Captain 40 Rep 869 Posts Drives: 06 325xi Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Miami, FL iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 325xi [0.00]	Yep, holograms. When I picked up my JB e90 from the dealer, the dealer detailed it w/ a rotory and then put some wax on top. After the first wash, I see holograms all over my hood and trunk. I'm pretty sure it's fixable w/ just a PC and some moderate cutting polish, followed by fine polish, and then a sealing/waxing routine of your choice. Try some Menzerna polishes. That guy doesn't know how to use a Rotory. And there's no reason to use a Rotory on a new car. A PC (Good Random Orbital)would have worked fine. There's pretty much no way to damage your paint with that unless you drop it on the car. I personally don't have a PC, so I'm gonna take it to a trusted pro/bmw enthusiast to do it for me. I've seen his work and it is amazing. So find a skilled detailer, and maybe talk to some of the guys he did work for and try him. Make sure that he fixes it before he waxes it. Inspect it after he's done polishing. Tell us what products he used if you can. Wax hides A LOT of the holograms. That is what I'm doing right now. So the guy might just hide most of the holograms and leave. Once you wash it, you will see them all again...maybe worse this time if you didn't "fix" it properly.
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MonacoBimm Banned 44 Rep 1,859 Posts Drives: Sapp. Black 330i(2nd e90) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Panama City, Panama iTrader: (1)	Yes, that is what I did. Actually he has detailed cars for the expresident, and some rich people here in Panama. He has detailed Ferraris and Aston Martins. Thats why I thought he was experienced and everything. But he completely missed my car. On Monday I will have him fix the car or if not he will pay repairs. I have a question, is the clear coat so weak that it will eventually get dangeroulsy thin. Shimshimhada? I am now beggining to get worried.. Again-!
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MonacoBimm Banned 44 Rep 1,859 Posts Drives: Sapp. Black 330i(2nd e90) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Panama City, Panama iTrader: (1)	I remember that the last time he used Sonax and 3m.
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Master Deep Captain 40 Rep 869 Posts Drives: 06 325xi Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Miami, FL iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 325xi [0.00]	Hmm, I wonder which 3M he used, because some of them are very abrasive. Your clearcoat is very thin from the factory. That's why you only do some light polishing to remove the swirls. You always start with the least abrasive polish and work your way up. If you use an abrasive polish or compound, you take off more clear than needed. And then once it gets too low, I beilve the only thing you can do is repaint, which is very very expensive. http://www.autopia.org/ Read up on that site and you will learn a lot about detailing.
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MonacoBimm Banned 44 Rep 1,859 Posts Drives: Sapp. Black 330i(2nd e90) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Panama City, Panama iTrader: (1)	If you guys would have to judge. Do you think I have a very thin clear coat? After maybe 2 polishes, one from the dealer before delivery and the one that ruined the car? Judging from that, do you think that i have a realy thin clear coat, and also judging from the pictures? I assume he used abravise 3m products. Do you guys think that from the 2 polishes assuming they were full hard polsihes, my clearcoat will be very very thin after he fixes it on Monday?
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ga-bmwdrvr First Lieutenant 21 Rep 327 Posts Drives: E21 320i, E90 330i Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Georgia iTrader: (0)	Really good proffesional detailers often have a meter to measure how thick the paint is. Maybe he has one.
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