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      01-05-2018, 02:14 PM   #309
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What are the Group 4 PAO/Ester options at similar price points, say, $23-$26/5 Qt range?
lol sorry none in that range, more in the price point of your first option.
$8-$10 a liter is realistic..unless thers a sale
you keep asking about 07 51 0 017 866, just a guess but could that be ll-98?
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lol sorry none in that range, more in the price point of your first option.
$8-$10 a liter is realistic..unless thers a sale
you keep asking about 07 51 0 017 866, just a guess but could that be ll-98?
$8-$10 a liter is not bad, I think LiquiMolly LL-01 is in that range, so is LiquiMolly PA0? There is no description in back label.

LL98 PN 866 is possible, but unclear since back label does not say, nor any data sheet is (publicly?) available. Many say PN 866 is rebranded Gold Castrol 5w30(definitely LL01), but there is no written proof.

It is just that BMW service has used PN 866 till 2013-2014, it is odd they used a non-LL01 oil for so long on their own cars ....
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$8-$10 a liter is not bad, I think LiquiMolly LL-01 is in that range, so is LiquiMolly PA0? There is no description in back label.

LL98 PN 866 is possible, but unclear since back label does not say, nor any data sheet is (publicly?) available. Many say PN 866 is rebranded Gold Castrol 5w30(definitely LL01), but there is no written proof.

It is just that BMW service has used PN 866 till 2013-2014, it is odd they used a non-LL01 oil for so long on their own cars ....
Yes there are a few LM that are pao. Synthoil energy 0w40 is ll01 or ll98 (a little confusing) and synthoil 0w30 and synthoil 5w40 is ll98. Just because some oils are in that price range doesn't mean they are pao etc. plenty of price gougers there. I will try to prepare a list of known pao/ester in the price range.
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Yes there are a few LM that are pao. Synthoil energy 0w40 is ll01 or ll98 (a little confusing) and synthoil 0w30 and synthoil 5w40 is ll98. Just because some oils are in that price range doesn't mean they are pao etc. plenty of price gougers there. I will try to prepare a list of known pao/ester in the price range.
A list of PAO LL01 and/or MB 229.5 will be nice, thanks!

BTW, are these two LL01 LM's used by my indy also PAO?

Liqui Moly Leichtlauf High Tech SAE 5W-40 Liqui Moly GmbH
Liqui Moly Special Tec LL SAE 5W-30 Liqui Moly GmbH

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A list of PAO LL01 and/or MB 229.5 will be nice, thanks!

BTW, are these two LL01 LM's used by my indy also PAO?

Liqui Moly Leichtlauf High Tech SAE 5W-40 Liqui Moly GmbH
Liqui Moly Special Tec LL SAE 5W-30 Liqui Moly GmbH

Albeit a short list will add as necessary. Oils in this list are quite excellent and pao or so. The oil weight choice / viscosity (esp. when cold) will depend on the regional weather. If you find any of these oils cheap lmk lol...
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Rowe synth rs 0w40 ll01 mb229.5 porsche a40 $9
Total quartz 9000 0w30 ll01 mb229.5 $9 Note this used to be Elf excellium 0w30 (great oil) and the carry over (good stuff) is still available. Brand new stock is not pao nor is ll01
Ravenol ssl 0w40 ll01 mb229.5 porsche a40 $10
Ravenol vst 5w40 ll01 mb229.5 porsche a40 $9
Castrol 0w30 ll01 mb229.5 <$9 aka german castrol, Note could be found cheaper locally and is no longer made in germany
Yacco vx1000ll 0w40 ll01 mb229.5 porsche a40 $11
Yacco vx1000ll 5w40 ll01 mb229.5 porsche a40 <$10
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PS: answer to your two oils, No.
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Albeit a short list will add as necessary. Oils in this list are quite excellent and pao or so. The oil weight choice / viscosity (esp. when cold) will depend on the regional weather. If you find any of these oils cheap lmk lol...
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Motul 0w40 ll01 mb229.5 porsche a40 $10
Motul 5w40 ll01 mb229.5 porsche a40 <$8
Rowe 0w40 ll01 mb229.5 porsche a40 $9
Total quartz 9000 0w30 ll01 mb229.5 $9 Note this used to be Elf excellium 0w30 (great oil) and the carry over (good stuff) is still available. Brand new stock is not pao nor is ll01
Ravenol ssl 0w40 ll01 mb229.5 porsche a40 $10
Castrol 0w30 ll01 mb229.5 <$9 aka german castrol, Note could be found cheaper locally and is no longer made in germany
Yacco 0w40 ll01 mb229.5 porsche a40 $11
Yacco 5w40 ll01 mb229.5 porsche a40 <$10
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PS: answer to your two oils, No.
Very cool, thanks! BTW Castrol 0W30 at times are available at local Walmart.
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A list of PAO LL01 and/or MB 229.5 will be nice, thanks!

BTW, are these two LL01 LM's used by my indy also PAO?

Liqui Moly Leichtlauf High Tech SAE 5W-40 Liqui Moly GmbH
Liqui Moly Special Tec LL SAE 5W-30 Liqui Moly GmbH

Albeit a short list will add as necessary. Oils in this list are quite excellent and pao or so. The oil weight choice / viscosity (esp. when cold) will depend on the regional weather. If you find any of these oils cheap lmk lol...
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Motul 8100 Xmax 0w40 ll01 mb229.5 porsche a40 $10
Motul 8100 Xcess 5w40 ll01 mb229.5 porsche a40 <$8
Rowe synth rs 0w40 ll01 mb229.5 porsche a40 $9
Total quartz 9000 0w30 ll01 mb229.5 $9 Note this used to be Elf excellium 0w30 (great oil) and the carry over (good stuff) is still available. Brand new stock is not pao nor is ll01
Ravenol ssl 0w40 ll01 mb229.5 porsche a40 $10
Ravenol vst 5w40 ll01 mb229.5 porsche a40 $9
Castrol 0w30 ll01 mb229.5 <$9 aka german castrol, Note could be found cheaper locally and is no longer made in germany
Yacco vx1000ll 0w40 ll01 mb229.5 porsche a40 $11
Yacco vx1000ll 5w40 ll01 mb229.5 porsche a40 <$10
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PS: answer to your two oils, No.
motul 8100 isn't pao or ester even though it's marketed as such in certain places on their website.

don't believe me? take a look at the composition listed on the msds.
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motul 8100 isn't pao or ester even though it's marketed as such in certain places on their website.

don't believe me? take a look at the composition listed on the msds.
You are correct, Motul 8100 X-CESS 5W40 msds does say:

DISTILLATES (PETROLEUM), HYDROTREATED HEAVY PARAFFINIC >= 50%
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Lol guess the list gets shorter. Didnt expect the lies from motul. Had my doubts on the 8100 5w40, but even 0w40
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Im uploading a file that shows different oil brands that meet LL-01 BMW requirement, hope it helps to those who need this kind of oil for their cars.
The only suggestion would be to get 0W if you leave in cold places but if not 5W would do fine.
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