Rear tire tread

vladdy328 · 01-03-2011, 05:01 PM

So I just swapped my wheels for the winter and noticed that my rear tires are already almost bald in the inside, I only put about 10k miles on them. The tires are Hankook Ventus. Is this normal with bmw's? Because I do know that they have a specific stance for performance which would probably cause this.

Sooperdooperoofer · 01-03-2011, 05:29 PM

Did you lower the car???

More than 25mm or 1" can cause too much negative camber, most RWD's will have 1-2 degrees from the factory as the top of the wheel twists slightly outwards when rotating as the bottom is planted on the ground thus evening out camber, if your cars dropped too much its constantly in negative camber leaving more weight on the inside edge of the tyre, ya get me??

Baldur Abendroth · 01-03-2011, 05:44 PM

Well he has H&R springs so looks like it's lowered. I have H&R sports and my rft's where completely bald after 10k as well.

AWD Addict · 01-03-2011, 05:50 PM

Worn middle means cupped tires, right?

Over inflation, bad alignment, blown suspension all could be the culprit.

Sooperdooperoofer · 01-03-2011, 06:02 PM

More than 25mm or 1" can cause too much negative camber, most RWD's will have 1-2 degrees from the factory as the top of the wheel twists slightly outwards when rotating as the bottom is planted on the ground thus evening out camber, if your cars dropped too much its constantly in negative camber leaving more weight on the inside edge of the tyre, ya get me??

anerbe · 01-03-2011, 08:39 PM

Inside tread wear normally means one of the following.

- Underinflation
- Too much negative camber
- Too much toe

Negative camber will give you the odd wear shape (inner wear more than outer wear).
Toe will accelerate the wear on the tire.

Adjusting the suspension always requires an alignment.

vladdy328 · 01-03-2011, 11:01 PM

Thanks guys, I did just recently install the H&R's and never got an alignment which is probably what's causing the problem. I'll have to do that asap.

Sooperdooperoofer · 01-04-2011, 06:57 AM

Let us know how ya get on.

VMRWheels · 01-04-2011, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by vladdy328

Thanks guys, I did just recently install the H&R's and never got an alignment which is probably what's causing the problem. I'll have to do that asap.

Definitely the problem. I would get an alignement asap. Your toe and camber are most likely well off OE specs.

-Charles@VMRWheels

vladdy328 · 01-04-2011, 02:44 PM

I will keep posted. Do you guys prefer an alignment done by BMW? Because they are pretty darn expensive.

VMRWheels · 01-04-2011, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by vladdy328

I will keep posted. Do you guys prefer an alignment done by BMW? Because they are pretty darn expensive.

Any reputable alignement shops will be able to align your car for a lower cost.

-Charles@VMRWheels

Sooperdooperoofer · 01-04-2011, 05:03 PM

I would recommend you the alignment checked by someone with a KDS or Hunter rig, car is aligned with weights to get the wheel arch a specific height from the ramp before being re-aligned to factory settings, it costs alot but believe me its worth it, had it done on my old e46 330d after getting suspension done, made it feel like a new car from the factory!! Not sayin this is the only way but it stopped my car wandering at high speeds where other alignment centres failed. Basically you just want the job done right.

vladdy328 · 01-04-2011, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sooperdooperoofer

I would recommend you the alignment checked by someone with a KDS or Hunter rig, car is aligned with weights to get the wheel arch a specific height from the ramp before being re-aligned to factory settings, it costs alot but believe me its worth it, had it done on my old e46 330d after getting suspension done, made it feel like a new car from the factory!! Not sayin this is the only way but it stopped my car wandering at high speeds where other alignment centres failed. Basically you just want the job done right.

I'll look into that. Do I just ask if they have the rig? How much would I be looking at for this type of alignment?

Sooperdooperoofer · 01-05-2011, 01:25 AM

Chances are its what the bmw garage might have if they are a large dealership, here in Ireland it would cost over 200 euros. A good BMW specialist or track day specialist Might have the equipment. It's the extreme option but it is def worth it

Sooperdooperoofer · 01-05-2011, 01:26 AM

Someone Might know on the Forum where you'd find one

vladdy328 · 01-05-2011, 02:25 AM

Thanks for your help!

Sooperdooperoofer · 01-05-2011, 03:54 AM

Cheers, If you get it done let me know how it works out, Hunter Alignment have a few clips on you tube i think, check them out

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Sooperdooperoofer The older I get, the faster I was 2 Rep 48 Posts Drives: 320d SE x2 & E21 323i 2door Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Donegal iTrader: (0)	Did you lower the car??? More than 25mm or 1" can cause too much negative camber, most RWD's will have 1-2 degrees from the factory as the top of the wheel twists slightly outwards when rotating as the bottom is planted on the ground thus evening out camber, if your cars dropped too much its constantly in negative camber leaving more weight on the inside edge of the tyre, ya get me?? Last edited by Sooperdooperoofer; 01-03-2011 at 05:55 PM..
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Baldur Abendroth Lieutenant 14 Rep 468 Posts Drives: the economy, SG e92 335i MT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lake Oswego, OR iTrader: (1)	Well he has H&R springs so looks like it's lowered. I have H&R sports and my rft's where completely bald after 10k as well. __________________
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Sooperdooperoofer The older I get, the faster I was 2 Rep 48 Posts Drives: 320d SE x2 & E21 323i 2door Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Donegal iTrader: (0)	More than 25mm or 1" can cause too much negative camber, most RWD's will have 1-2 degrees from the factory as the top of the wheel twists slightly outwards when rotating as the bottom is planted on the ground thus evening out camber, if your cars dropped too much its constantly in negative camber leaving more weight on the inside edge of the tyre, ya get me??
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anerbe Lieutenant Colonel 121 Rep 1,568 Posts Drives: Red E90M 6MT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: BH, MI iTrader: (2)	Inside tread wear normally means one of the following. - Underinflation - Too much negative camber - Too much toe Negative camber will give you the odd wear shape (inner wear more than outer wear). Toe will accelerate the wear on the tire. Adjusting the suspension always requires an alignment.
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vladdy328 Lieutenant 29 Rep 555 Posts Drives: 2007 E92 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Seattle iTrader: (3)	Thanks guys, I did just recently install the H&R's and never got an alignment which is probably what's causing the problem. I'll have to do that asap. __________________ 2013 Audi A4 S-Line Black/Black\|20" Rs6 wheels\|H&R 2008 BMW 135M White/Red "Come to Me, and I will give you rest." \|\| Matt 11:28
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vladdy328 Lieutenant 29 Rep 555 Posts Drives: 2007 E92 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Seattle iTrader: (3)	I will keep posted. Do you guys prefer an alignment done by BMW? Because they are pretty darn expensive. __________________ 2013 Audi A4 S-Line Black/Black\|20" Rs6 wheels\|H&R 2008 BMW 135M White/Red "Come to Me, and I will give you rest." \|\| Matt 11:28
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Sooperdooperoofer The older I get, the faster I was 2 Rep 48 Posts Drives: 320d SE x2 & E21 323i 2door Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Donegal iTrader: (0)	I would recommend you the alignment checked by someone with a KDS or Hunter rig, car is aligned with weights to get the wheel arch a specific height from the ramp before being re-aligned to factory settings, it costs alot but believe me its worth it, had it done on my old e46 330d after getting suspension done, made it feel like a new car from the factory!! Not sayin this is the only way but it stopped my car wandering at high speeds where other alignment centres failed. Basically you just want the job done right. __________________ LCI 320d SE, M star 18" alloys, Msport bumpers and 700+miles per week
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Sooperdooperoofer The older I get, the faster I was 2 Rep 48 Posts Drives: 320d SE x2 & E21 323i 2door Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Donegal iTrader: (0)	Chances are its what the bmw garage might have if they are a large dealership, here in Ireland it would cost over 200 euros. A good BMW specialist or track day specialist Might have the equipment. It's the extreme option but it is def worth it __________________ LCI 320d SE, M star 18" alloys, Msport bumpers and 700+miles per week
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