[Carrera RSR]

I've posted this before, and I'll post it again

At a recent computer expo, Bill Gates reportedly compared the
computer industry with the auto industry and stated, "If GM had kept up
with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving
$25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon."

In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release
stating: If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be
driving cars with the following characteristics (and I just love this
part):

1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.

2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to
buy a new car.

3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You
would have to pull to the side of the road, close all of the windows,
shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could
continue. For some reason you would simply accept this.

4. Occasionally, executing a manoeuvre such as a left turn would cause
your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would
have to reinstall the engine.

5. Apple would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable,
five times as fast and twice as easy to drive - but would run on only
five percent of the roads.

6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all
be replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation"
warning light.

7. The airbag system would ask, "Are you sure?" before deploying.

8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out
and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door
handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.

9. Every time a new car was introduced car buyers would have to learn
how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate
in the same manner as the old car.

10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off.

I'm a Mac

[trixman]

Originally Posted by SoYank

I guess harmony's going to remain on vacation. Or is it cowering in the corner?

-- An old guy.

(I was being facetious btw to those that didn't get it)

[NFS]

PC and Mac are both shit.

Sinclair Spectrum is the way forward.

[deletedelete]

Im a mac guy. I use a pc for gaming. So I use both daily. I literally would not use the computer if I had to use a pc for daily stuff like mail, internet and music. My goodness pc's are awful. Well to be fair, its not pc's. Its the os.

Its the windows os that is awful. Even win7 is built on extremely outdated architecture. I mean a registry, come on? haha. Blue screen crashes, hahah seriously? Yeah windows is that awful still. $500 for win7 just for all the features, when snow leopard costs $29 for all the features!!! hahahaha, nobody besides grandmothers who buy cheap $200 dells still use windows do they?

Snow leopard is a full, lightweight, 64bit os with no virus or blue screen crashes or other windows garbage. Yet costs $29 for a full version. Some crazy people will pay $500 for vista and now again for windows 7. Yet its built on all the same old crap, with pretty window dressing. Sucker born every minute and if there wasn't, who would we laugh at?

[Dave_3]

Originally Posted by Prowess Symphony

Its the windows os that is awful. Even win7 is built on extremely outdated architecture. I mean a registry, come on? haha. Blue screen crashes, hahah seriously? Yeah windows is that awful still. $500 for win7 just for all the features, when snow leopard costs $29 for all the features!!! hahahaha, nobody besides grandmothers who buy cheap $200 dells still use windows do they?

I use Windows on 6 desktop PCs and a laptop daily (64 bit and 32 bit) - and have never experienced a blue screen. Last time I saw that was once on my old NT workstation last decade. Is this something you have experienced yourself or just read about and recounting here ? Gaming rig, you say - overclocked etc. ?

Bad workman blames his tools.

Sinclair - pah! I am an AmigaOS man. Pre-emptive multi-tasking when a Win 3.1 PC went Beeep.

D.

[deletedelete]

Originally Posted by Dave_3

I use Windows on 6 desktop PCs and a laptop daily (64 bit and 32 bit) - and have never experienced a blue screen. Last time I saw that was once on my old NT workstation last decade. Is this something you have experienced yourself or just read about and recounting here ? Gaming rig, you say - overclocked etc. ?

Bad workman blames his tools.

Sinclair - pah! I am an AmigaOS man. Pre-emptive multi-tasking when a Win 3.1 PC went Beeep.

D.

My non overclocked (completely stock) gaming rig, running a brand new legit copy of win7, with a brand new legit copy of the game dragon age, crashed with a blue screen, while playing. Even if the game is bugged, that shouldnt cause the os to freak out and blue screen. If a program crashes on the mac, everything else is still fine. On windows when a program crashes the entire system is fudged.

And I had blue screen crashes on vista so many times I cant count. I dont listen to music, internet, or anything on the gaming rig. Only play games. It doesnt even connect to the internet. Yet vista crashes all the time, including making the control panel disappear. I had to reinstall vista to get my control panel back. Microsoft said it was common issue and supposedly fixed it in sp1. hahaha they release a $500 os with a disappearing control panel that wont come back without a reinstall, hahaha.

Im not personally attacking anybodies opinions. I worked hard for my money and I pay for the best products and expect them to work. I love the xbox 360 even with its crashing. I love my 335 even with a hpfp problem possible. So I am very lenient. Windows just messes up too much for me to deal with. Its so clunky and clutter, its an awful user interface.

[NFS]

Originally Posted by Prowess Symphony

My non overclocked (completely stock) gaming rig, running a brand new legit copy of win7, with a brand new legit copy of the game dragon age, crashed with a blue screen, while playing. Even if the game is bugged, that shouldnt cause the os to freak out and blue screen. If a program crashes on the mac, everything else is still fine. On windows when a program crashes the entire system is fudged.

And I had blue screen crashes on vista so many times I cant count. I dont listen to music, internet, or anything on the gaming rig. Only play games. It doesnt even connect to the internet. Yet vista crashes all the time, including making the control panel disappear. I had to reinstall vista to get my control panel back. Microsoft said it was common issue and supposedly fixed it in sp1. hahaha they release a $500 os with a disappearing control panel that wont come back without a reinstall, hahaha.

BSOD when gaming is usually due to a driver incompatibility.

Talking about more BSOD from windows than on the Mac OS is sorting of missing the point. Windows has massively more third party software and driver options floating around, so compatability issues are a much bigger deal.

Same thing with the virus comments that are always made about macs and alternative windows browsers. It's not windows itself that is at fault, it's just the most common OS and internet explorer is the most common browser, so that's what the hackers target. There is no point in writing a virus that hits ubuntu because no-one would notice.

Vista is wank though. I am still on XP, which is a bind because I want DX10.

[deletedelete]

Originally Posted by NFS

BSOD when gaming is usually due to a driver incompatibility.

Talking about more BSOD from windows than on the Mac OS is sorting of missing the point. Windows has massively more third party software and driver options floating around, so compatability issues are a much bigger deal.

Same thing with the virus comments that are always made about macs and alternative windows browsers. It's not windows itself that is at fault, it's just the most common OS and internet explorer is the most common browser, so that's what the hackers target. There is no point in writing a virus that hits ubuntu because no-one would notice.

Vista is wank though. I am still on XP, which is a bind because I want DX10.

Go to win7. Lightyears better then vista. Not many games on dx10 anyway let alone dx11. But xp is dreadfully old and it shows.

And yeah the crashing is probably a driver or game fault. However a driver or game issue shouldnt force windows to freak out. The mac never fully crashes. Windows completely dies during an error. I mean they could have at least changed the screen to a nice lavender or lime green! The blue has got to go!

[NFS]

Originally Posted by Prowess Symphony

Go to win7. Lightyears better then vista. Not many games on dx10 anyway let alone dx11. But xp is dreadfully old and it shows.

And yeah the crashing is probably a driver or game fault. However a driver or game issue shouldnt force windows to freak out. The mac never fully crashes. Windows completely dies during an error. I mean they could have at least changed the screen to a nice lavender or lime green! The blue has got to go!

Next move is a new motherboard as my current one won't support FSB speeds above 1066mhz. That will be the perfect time to install to Windows 7.

Controversial view, but I find the BSOD quite useful (even if it's only rare). So long as you have disabled automatic restart in the BIOS settings, you just have to write down the numbers, restart (in safe mode if necessary), google and there is usually a simple solution.

[deletedelete]

Originally Posted by NFS

Next move is a new motherboard as my current one won't support FSB speeds above 1066mhz. That will be the perfect time to install to Windows 7.

Controversial view, but I find the BSOD quite useful (even if it's only rare). So long as you have disabled automatic restart in the BIOS settings, you just have to write down the numbers, restart (in safe mode if necessary), google and there is usually a simple solution.

I hope you have a UK equivalent of newegg.com. Cause you can build your own rigs for real cheap yourself. If you get a new mobo you might as well get a new core i5/i7 cpu too!

And ive never had a bsod that wasnt fixed with a restart. Besides my vista control panel literally just disappearing forever, ive never had a persistent windows problem. However I only game on it, so I dont really use any of the features. Windows just aint my cup of tea.

[miopyk]

Mac at home PC at work.

Generally get on fine with both but overall I prefer the mac. Unless you need to run business apps I think a mac can pretty much do what a pc can do. I have open office on mine so can use all of the ms office stuff that I use on my pc.

As for blue screens - once every few months on my pc but my son's crashes more often than that.

In my experience macs are more reliable and intuitive. I find a lot of the anti mac brigade have actually never used one for any length of time but when they do they love them. If they were worse why did ms copy them?

Oh, and as an afterthought, I'm guessing that the bulk of PCs are bought off the shelf by people who want to use them for simple things like internet, email, maybe some simple business apps like office etc. In those circumstances most wouldn't know their motherboard from their cpu. All they want is something that works out of the box, is safe and easy to use. When you look at it from that perspective the only advantage pc's have then is price. But the potential disadvantages, well .............

Miopyk

[G33]

another load of egotistical posts from sikbass

i use a pc primarily becuase of 3DS Max and AutoCAD. i love the design of Macs but buying one primarily to boot windows is a bit silly IMO. If i didnt i would defo be getting the new 27 iMac

[SiKkBaSs]

Originally Posted by jiggaman.

another load of egotistical posts from sikbass

[Steve A]

:finger:

GEEK.

[evil_scooby]

What I found quite funny was going into the apple store, they had to load up a windows VM machine to finish the transaction ! comedy.

I love my iphone so much I am coming round to the thought of using a MAC instead of a PC although they seem very expensive in comparision :-(

[Carrera RSR]

Originally Posted by evil_scooby

What I found quite funny was going into the apple store, they had to load up a windows VM machine to finish the transaction ! comedy.

I love my iphone so much I am coming round to the thought of using a MAC instead of a PC although they seem very expensive in comparision :-(

A BMW is very expensive in comparison to a Kia. Still gets you from A to B but many here bought one

[Dave_3]

Originally Posted by carrerarsr

A BMW is very expensive in comparison to a Kia. Still gets you from A to B but many here bought one

But unlike a Mac, quite a few like to mod and chip their BMWs ...

D.

[NFS]

Originally Posted by Dave_3

But unlike a Mac, quite a few like to mod and chip their BMWs ...

D.

And their PC's

There are masses of upgrade options for a PC since it's essentially a kit of user changeable parts.

Is that the case with a Mac?

[miopyk]

Originally Posted by NFS

And their PC's

There are masses of upgrade options for a PC since it's essentially a kit of user changeable parts.

Is that the case with a Mac?

I think you're sort of missing the point. The attractiveness of upgrading will be part of the buying decision for a minority of people. Just because you can doesn't mean you do. So the upgrade argument for PCs is as relevant or irrelevant as saying Macs are better for commercial graphics software. Most people won't care.

What they do care about is price, ease of use, safety and depending on how much you're spending, quality.

If you compare the two genres on that basis you might come up with a different answer.

Miopyk

[NFS]

Originally Posted by miopyk

What they do care about is price, ease of use, safety and depending on how much you're spending, quality.

If you compare the two genres on that basis you might come up with a different answer.

Miopyk

OK then ..

Price - PC is cheaper

Ease of Use - I have no problem working a PC at all. Mac probably the same, but why learn a new OS?

Safety - PC's are perfectly safe if you know what you are doing. Mac's are probably safer if you don't because hackers haven't bothered writing viruses for them. I've never had a virus on my PC that I couldn't sort on my own.

Quality - Subjective, but nothing on my PC has fallen apart since I bought it - apart from a third party graphics card, which isn't really down to microsoft.



To be honest my view on this is simple. I know how my PC works, I can upgrade it endlessly if I ever want more power. All the games and software I need are available for it and it hardly ever causes be a problem.

So .. why would I want a mac?

PS - The comment in my earlier post was a genuine question - can you upgrade macs or do you have to bin them when they are getting a bit outdated?

[miopyk]

Originally Posted by NFS

OK then ..

Price - PC is cheaper

Ease of Use - I have no problem working a PC at all. Mac probably the same, but why learn a new OS?

Safety - PC's are perfectly safe if you know what you are doing. Mac's are probably safer if you don't because hackers haven't bothered writing viruses for them. I've never had a virus on my PC that I couldn't sort on my own.

Quality - Subjective, but nothing on my PC has fallen apart since I bought it - apart from a third party graphics card, which isn't really down to microsoft.



To be honest my view on this is simple. I know how my PC works, I can upgrade it endlessly if I ever want more power. All the games and software I need are available for it and it hardly ever causes be a problem.

So .. why would I want a mac?

PS - The comment in my earlier post was a genuine question - can you upgrade macs or do you have to bin them when they are getting a bit outdated?

I agree with everything you have said and i also agree that from your personal perspective a PC is probably a no brainer.

All you points are valid and in many ways can be applied to macs and PCs equally. I have however highlighted a couple of things you have said that for most people that don't have your knowledge would probably be an issue. But if you like to build your own machines, fine whatever floats your boat.

Bearing in mind I'm no expert and I only have my own personal experience to draw from I'll try and answer your questions.

Have you used a mac for any length of time (not just an hour or two)? I run a PC and mac everyday and the mac just works better. OK that's just my opinion but I've seen many other people try one and change for the same reason. I'm not anti PC, I'm just comparing one with the other based on several years experience of running them side by side. I'm using my mac now cause it boots up faster as well

So sorry, why would you want a mac? I don't know I can only tell you of my experiences and recommend you try one.

Can you upgrade a mac? No, but why would you want to? They just work. If you want a better machine, PC or Mac, buy one, I do.

Oh, and one last thing you asked why learn a new OS? Don't we have to do that every time MS release a new version of their OS (Vista is pants)? And don't MS copy many of the things that Apple introduced previously. W7 has several innovative features that I've been using on my mac for two years.

So I guess if you're happy, stick with what you've got, I do.

Miopyk

[NFS]

Originally Posted by miopyk

Can you upgrade a mac? No, but why would you want to? They just work. If you want a better machine, PC or Mac, buy one, I do.

I've not used a mac much at all, which is why I probably can't see why they would be better than a PC.

In my case I guess I might be underwhelmed, because I've never really had a problem with windows. Although I do think Vista is awful.

I think upgrading is important though. I'd like a faster processor and a new motherboard. I can probably achieve this for around £250, but if I had to replace the entire box, it would be around £1000.

That's why the modular approach is useful.