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      08-28-2016, 03:39 PM   #67
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It's all relative I suppose when you look at it like that.

But it's nice that I also now have a backup with the original disk since we know drives can & do fail (although I've always found laptop drives to be more enduring than 3.5" drives).
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It seems quick when going from CIC to NBT but it's still seems an age when I jump in the car between clients, and have to wait for Navigation to boot up before I know which way to go
Speed is a combination of processor speed, graphic processing and storage. Id guess the NBT has better processing and graphics than CIC so an ssd upgrade would most likely really give it a boost.
I wonder if NBT uses sata rather than IDE. It would be much easier to upgrade with sata.
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      08-29-2016, 06:00 AM   #69
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I did an SSD conversion on my Samsung laptop which reduced boot from a very pedestrian 5 minutes before it was usable, down to about 40 seconds, so I'd love to see this on my NBT, maybe I'll summon up the courage one day
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Do it Would at least be interesting to find out if it is IDE or SATA. For sure it will be much faster with a SSD.
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      08-30-2016, 12:37 PM   #71
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Well this looks pretty cool but my CIC system seems to already work very quickly and I've never been able to actually hear the hard drive? Definitely don't have any lag on zooming but I'm still on old 2009 maps. Maybe that's why?
I'd probably do this just for the sake of doing it and seeing if I can.
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Well this looks pretty cool but my CIC system seems to already work very quickly and I've never been able to actually hear the hard drive? Definitely don't have any lag on zooming but I'm still on old 2009 maps. Maybe that's why?
I'd probably do this just for the sake of doing it and seeing if I can.
As an added bonus, if you mount the old drive in Linux to access the file system, you can extract the file needed to generate your own FSC codes for map updates
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      09-05-2016, 02:25 AM   #73
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As an added bonus, if you mount the old drive in Linux to access the file system, you can extract the file needed to generate your own FSC codes for map updates
Pray tell more
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      09-05-2016, 07:58 AM   #74
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Pray tell more
Basically, if you take the old hard drive (or the new clone) and mount it in Linux (I used Ubuntu) then you can read the file system. Be sure to mount it as a QNX6 file system (it will try to mount as QNX4 based on the partition type, but that appears to be wrong). Something akin to the following should work:

mount -t qnx6 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/cic1

See my previous post for more on the partitions that were on my HDD: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...1&postcount=26

Once you have it mounted, you can extract the file required to generate an FSC code. That file is either /HBpersistence/normal/generalPersistencyData_DiagnosticSWTController. Or possibly the data03 file described in the second part of the post below. I'm doing this from memory, so I can't recall exactly which filename it was.

From there, the process is the same as described in http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1154524. The difference is that instead of extracting the file via FTP, you were able to pull it directly from the hard drive.

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I can also confirm that you are able to swap the Zheino 128gb pata SSD into the CIC unit with no issues.

I used paragon hard disk manager 15 to "backup to virtual disk" from the BMW hard drive to my desktop harddrive.

I then placed this image onto the SDD using paragon option "restore from virtual disk"

It took an afternoon - probably 1.5hours to back up and 1.5 hours to place image on SSD, although i do not use my hardrive from music so there would be less GB's to move.

I also could not bring myself to buy the star harddrive docking station so i used an IDE 3.5 to pata 2.5 converter cost of 2 which is much more economic. But you do need and IDE port on your motherboard to use this approach.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3717235418...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

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I can also confirm that you are able to swap the Zheino 128gb pata SSD inot the CIC unit with no issues.

I used paragon hard disk manager 15 to "backup to virtual disk" from the BMW hard drive to my desktop harddrive.

I then placed this image onto the SDD using paragon option "restore from virtual disk"

It took an afternoon - probably 1.5hours to back up and 1.5 hours to place image on SSD, although i do not use my hardrive from music so there would be les GB's to move.

I also could not bring myself to buy the star harddrive docking station so i uses an IDE 3.5 to pata 2.5 converter cost of 2 which is much more economic. But you do need and IDE port on your motherboard to use this approach.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3717235418...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

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Glad it worked out for you. The amount of data on the drive won't make any difference to how long it takes as it is copying sector by sector regardless.
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So, no one has gotten the supertalent to work?

Very disappointing as that is a better drive...
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      08-28-2017, 08:59 PM   #78
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Finally getting back around to this after a long delay...

I tried the Super Talent drive again, but this time pulled some logs from the CIC via telnet (at the prompt I used the "sloginfo" command). This seems to point to the fact that the Super Talent drive is not recognized. I ordered a Zheino to see if it works like others report.

Note that the below are just snippets of the output.

With original drive
Code:
target:/> sloginfo
...
Jan 01 00:00:02    2    19     0 eide_init_devices: FUJITSU TEN DVD-ROM DV-05B3 path 0, tid 0, udma -1, mdma 2, sdma -1, pio 4, mblk 0
Jan 01 00:00:02    2    19     0 eide_identify_devices: XILINX BMWL6 vid 10ee, did 7534, class 78000 rev 1, busno 0, dfunc 0
Jan 01 00:00:02    2    19     0 eide_identify_devices: cmd_addr c0800040, cntl_addr c0800070, irq c, chnl 0, udma -1, mdma 2, sdma -1, pio 4
Jan 01 00:00:02    2    19     0 eide_display_devices: mdl TOSHIBA MK8050GAC sn 70OATM4UT fw TE104A tid 1, cable 80, max udma 5, cur udma 0, max mdma 2, cur mdma 2, max sdma 2, cur sdma 0, pio 4, mblk 16
Jan 01 00:00:02    2    19     0 eide_init_devices: TOSHIBA MK8050GAC path 1, tid 1, udma -1, mdma 2, sdma -1, pio 4, mblk 16
...
Jan 01 00:00:04    6 20000     0 Process[19]: 'POST_STARTING' '/usr/bin/srv-hddmgr'
Jan 01 00:00:04    6 20000     0 PSState[19] '/usr/bin/srv-hddmgr': TRG_RUN_PROCESS causes: IDLE->POST_STARTING
Jan 01 00:00:05    3 20002   400 Starting srv-hddmgr [ver. 2.1.28]. pid: 29
Jan 01 00:00:05    5 20002   400 Added mount path of </dev/hd0t77> to </mnt/hbnavi>, type <qnx6>, data <>
Jan 01 00:00:05    5 20002   400 Added mount path of </dev/hd0t77.1> to </mnt/hbcddb>, type <qnx6>, data <>
Jan 01 00:00:05    5 20002   400 Added mount path of </dev/hd0t77.2> to </mnt/hbdata>, type <qnx6>, data <>
Jan 01 00:00:05    5 20002   400 Added mount path of </dev/hd0t77.3> to </mnt/hbuser>, type <qnx6>, data <>
Jan 01 00:00:05    5 20002   400 Added mount path of </dev/hd0t77.4> to </mnt/hbmedia>, type <qnx6>, data <>
Jan 01 00:00:05    5 20002   400 Added mount path of </dev/hd0t77.5> to </mnt/hbdebug>, type <qnx6>, data <>
Jan 01 00:00:05    2 20002   400 Error parsing persistency file.
Jan 01 00:00:05    5 20002   400 Persistency is loaded [ h: 0, t: 0, boot: Normal, debug: UNKNOWN ]
Jan 01 00:00:05    5 20002   400 Opened EIDE driver at path: /proc/mount/dev/hd0/0,10,7,4,0, max retries: 3
Jan 01 00:00:05    3 20002   400 Established connection with </dev/hd0> on </proc/mount/dev/hd0/0,10,7,4,0>.
Jan 01 00:00:05    2 20002   400 Device APM Level is: 254
Jan 01 00:00:05    5 20002   403 Retrieved EIDE temperature: 330 [in 0.1C degree].
...
target:/> df
/mnt/hbnavi/pkgdb/S       401756    401756         0     100%  /SDS/           
/dev/blk/ram-0-allo       122880      1376    121504       2%  /fs/tmpfs/      
/hbsystem/multicore         4283         0      4283       0%  /hbsystem/multic
/mnt/hbnavi/pkgdb/M          812       812         0     100%  /mnt/MISC/      
/mnt/hbdata/IBA/iso       290176    290176         0     100%  /mnt/IBASWE1/   
/dev/hd0t77.5             337264     16410    320854       5%  /mnt/hbdebug/   
/dev/hd0t77.4           26635672    857848  25777824       4%  /mnt/hbmedia/   
/dev/hd0t77.3            2297200     92072   2205128       5%  /mnt/hbuser/    
/dev/hd0t77.2            3421744   1884564   1537180      56%  /mnt/hbdata/    
/dev/hd0t77.1            6152800   2122984   4029816      35%  /mnt/hbcddb/    
/dev/hd0t77            117451056  55746526  61704530      48%  /mnt/hbnavi/    
/dev/fs0p6                  1024       124       899      13%  /mnt/logistics  
/dev/fs0p5                 24064      2900     21163      13%  /mnt/HBpersisten
/dev/fs0p3                 68608     61826      6781      91%  /mnt/EFS_RO     
/dev/fs0p1                  1024       134       889      14%  /mnt/equalizing 
/dev/hd0               156301488 156301488         0     100%                  
/dev/cd0                       0         0         0     100%
With SuperTalent drive
Code:
target:/home/root> sloginfo
...
Aug 28 17:31:18    2    19     0 eide_init_devices: FUJITSU TEN DVD-ROM DV-05B3 path 0, tid 0, udma -1, mdma 2, sdma -1, pio 4, mblk 0
Aug 28 17:31:18    2    19     0 eide_identify_devices: XILINX BMWL6 vid 10ee, did 7534, class 78000 rev 1, busno 0, dfunc 0
Aug 28 17:31:18    2    19     0 eide_identify_devices: cmd_addr c0800040, cntl_addr c0800070, irq c, chnl 0, udma -1, mdma 2, sdma -1, pio 4
Aug 28 17:31:18    2    19     0 eide_identify: chk 4 cmd ec, tid 1, status 0, astatus 0, error 1
...
Aug 28 17:31:20    2    19     0 eide_reset:  complete 2170 ms
Aug 28 17:31:20    2    19     0 eide_identify: chk 4 cmd ec, tid 1, status 0, astatus 0, error 1
Aug 28 17:31:20    5    19     0 hbfpga_reset: resetting ATAPI core in FPGA (delay=2000ms)
...
...(note the above resets repeat over and over)...
...
Aug 28 17:31:21    3 20002   400 Starting srv-hddmgr [ver. 2.1.28]. pid: 29
Aug 28 17:31:21    5 20002   400 Added mount path of </dev/hd0t77> to </mnt/hbnavi>, type <qnx6>, data <>
Aug 28 17:31:21    5 20002   400 Added mount path of </dev/hd0t77.1> to </mnt/hbcddb>, type <qnx6>, data <>
Aug 28 17:31:21    5 20002   400 Added mount path of </dev/hd0t77.2> to </mnt/hbdata>, type <qnx6>, data <>
Aug 28 17:31:21    5 20002   400 Added mount path of </dev/hd0t77.3> to </mnt/hbuser>, type <qnx6>, data <>
Aug 28 17:31:21    5 20002   400 Added mount path of </dev/hd0t77.4> to </mnt/hbmedia>, type <qnx6>, data <>
Aug 28 17:31:21    5 20002   400 Added mount path of </dev/hd0t77.5> to </mnt/hbdebug>, type <qnx6>, data <>
Aug 28 17:31:21    2 20002   400 Error parsing persistency file.
Aug 28 17:31:21    5 20002   400 Persistency is loaded [ h: 0, t: 0, boot: Normal, debug: UNKNOWN ]
Aug 28 17:31:21    2 20002   400 Failed connection establishment with </dev/hd0>.
Aug 28 17:31:21    2 20002   400 Can't get Temperature conditions.
Aug 28 17:31:21    5 20002   400 Default: Switch to HDD_MALFUNCTION.
...
Aug 28 17:31:56    6 20000     0 Process[18]: 'RUN' '/usr/bin/devb-eide-hbfpga'
...
target:/home/root> df
/dev/blk/ram-0-allo       122880         8    122872       1%  /fs/tmpfs/
/hbsystem/multicore         4283         0      4283       0%  /hbsystem/multic
/dev/fs0p6                  1024       124       899      13%  /mnt/logistics
/dev/fs0p5                 24064      2897     21166      13%  /mnt/HBpersisten
/dev/fs0p3                 68608     61826      6781      91%  /mnt/EFS_RO
/dev/fs0p1                  1024       134       889      14%  /mnt/equalizing
/dev/cd0                       0         0         0     100%

Also, it appears as though the system OS is stored on nvram or another file system and it boots from that. And indeed that is consistent with the fact that the CIC will boot even if the HDD is not inserted (but Nav won't work).

Will update as I try more things.

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Got the Zheino drive in today. A clonezilla whole disk copy worked fine. dd did not work. I tried the exact same clonezilla process on the SuperTalent drive just for good measure, but it still didn't work.

Long story short, the Zheino works. And boy is the Nav snappy
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Got a question for you Kioneo, you seem very knowledgeable with this.

I have a Cloned version of my CIC drive on a 320GB drive right now. What's the best way to expand the media (partition 4?). Is there a way to use Ubuntu to expand the partition? I've tried a multitude of tools, including the Ranish partition manager, but couldn't figure it out. Thanks.
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Also, it appears as though the system OS is stored on nvram or another file system and it boots from that.
It must be super slow nvram considering boot speed, does the SSD improve this at all, it's time taken to boot up I find most annoying?

NBT, although quicker to boot than CIC, is still remarkably lethargic and would definitely benefit from some kind of boost. It'd be great if it could boot as fast as W10 on a SSD.
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SSD didn't improve boot speed unfortunately. Other than maybe a tiny bit when loading the Nav, but that may just be my imagination. Zooming the nav is quicker though.
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The limitation is in the maximum bus speed of the CiC, and not necessarily the hard drive. This is why adding a super duper ssd will not yield any further speed.
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kioneo Do you know which PATA/SATA controller is being used in the SuperTalent vs Zheino SSD?

I haven't telnet into the CIC yet, but dd'ing the image to an old PATA SSD I did try (known working) with a JMicron JM20330 SATA/PATA bridge did not work.

(Not surprising, the JMicron controllers were known to have issues connecting to standard PC mainboards)
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Tried another mSATA to PATA converter with a Marvell 88SA8052 controller and it works fine in the CIC.

Seems the IDE controller in the CIC is selective in which bridge chipsets it'll work with.
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