[SonnyJack]

Can someone please provide some clarification on this. I know we briefly discussed in another thread but I am still a bit confused. Alonso supposedly began using his eighth engine @ Monza but now for Singapore he is switching back to the engine he used @ SPA.

So basically you can reuse an engine as many times as you like as long as it doesn't fail? Are teams allowed to work on the previously used engines and in essence "rebuild" them to be used again?

It doesn't take much to confuse me.

[UltimateBMW]

28.4 a) Each driver may use no more than eight engines during a Championship season. Should a driver use more than eight engines he will drop ten places on the starting grid at the first Event during which each additional engine is used. If two such additional engines are used during a single Event the driver concerned will drop ten places on the starting grid at that Event and at the following Event.
An engine will be deemed to have been used once the car's timing transponder has shown that it has left the pit lane.
b) If a driver is replaced at any time during the Championship season his replacement will be deemed to be the original driver for the purposes of assessing engine usage.
c) After consultation with the relevant engine supplier the FIA will attach seals to each engine prior to it being used for the first time at an Event in order to ensure that no significant moving parts can be rebuilt or replaced.
Within two hours of the end of the post race parc ferme exhaust blanking plates (with one 10mm diameter inspection hole per cylinder) and further seals will be applied to all used engines in order to ensure that these engines cannot be run between Events. Upon request to the FIA these additional seals will be removed after the start of initial scrutineering at the next Event at which the engines are
required. All such engines must remain within the team's designated garage area when not fitted to a car and may not be started at any time during an Event other than when fitted to a car eligible to participate in the Event.
d) If any of the FIA seals are damaged or removed from an engine after it has been used for the first time that engine may not be used again unless they were removed under FIA supervision.
e) If an engine is changed in accordance with Article 34.1 the engine which was replaced may not be used during any future qualifying session or race with the exception of the last Event of the Championship.

Does that help? I don't think the rules outline whether it can be rebuilt after its initial use, which leads me to believe it is allowed.

[escobar929]

they are def allowed to use an older engine but im not sure if they can touch them. most swtiched to a new engine in Monza since its a very demanding track for the engine

[SonnyJack]

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

Does that help? I don't think the rules outline whether it can be rebuilt after its initial use, which leads me to believe it is allowed.

hhhmmm...... I'd hate for this rule to affect the championship. Wouldn't SPA have been a pretty demanding race as well? Damn!

Has anyone but Sauber (De La Rosa) been penalized for using engine #9?

[JAJ]

28.4 e) says it all.

Basically, once an engine is used and then "replaced" it can't be re-used for a race or qualifying. Perhaps they can practice with an older engine and save the one remaining race engine for qualifying and the race itself?

Maybe they've found a clever way around the restrictions.

[E90SLAM]

Originally Posted by escobar929

they are def allowed to use an older engine but im not sure if they can touch them. most swtiched to a new engine in Monza since its a very demanding track for the engine

there isn't much they can do besides non-movable parts like spark plugs or lubrications....

[E90SLAM]

Originally Posted by SonnyJack

hhhmmm...... I'd hate for this rule to affect the championship. Wouldn't SPA have been a pretty demanding race as well? Damn!

Has anyone but Sauber (De La Rosa) been penalized for using engine #9?

that brings more management and thinking into racing....not just floor and drive the engine like you stole it....when to conserve and when to push.....

[E90SLAM]

Since OP brought up...engine use as of before Singapore GP...

Engines used so far:

McLaren
Jenson Button 7
Lewis Hamilton 7

Mercedes GP
Michael Schumacher 7
Nico Rosberg 7

Red Bull
Sebastian Vettel 7
Mark Webber 6

Ferrari
Felipe Massa 8
Fernando Alonso 8

Williams
Rubens Barrichello 6
Nico Hulkenberg 7

Renault
Robert Kubica 6
Vitaly Pertrov 6

Force India
Adrian Sutil 7
Vitantonio Liuzzi 7

Toro Rosso
Sebastien Buemi 7
Jaime Alguersuari 7

Lotus
Jarno Trulli 7
Heikki Kovalainen 7

Hispania
Sakon Yamamoto 7
Bruno Senna 7

Sauber
Nick Heidfeld (formerly Pedro de la Rosa's car) 9
Kamui Kobayashi 7

Virgin
Timo Glock 7
Lucas Di Grassi 7

http://planet-f1.com/news/18227/6391...ast-five-races

[inTgr8r]

At least LH still has a fresh engine after only one turn at Monza.

[JCtx]

Originally Posted by E90SLAM

Since OP brought up...engine use as of before Singapore GP...

So basically Ferrari engines are crap, right?

[E90SLAM]

Originally Posted by elp_jc

So basically Ferrari engines are crap, right?

Just look at those 458 kept caught on fire and had a recall....

neh....sometimes its just a bad day...like a gear box failure....cooling radiator issues...etc etc...that cooked the engine to death....

like Fernando's problem in Malaysia...broken gearbox which had problems when down shifting...which he had to blurp some throttle to force it downshift....then eventually caused the engine blew....

[SonnyJack]

Originally Posted by SonnyJack

Can someone please provide some clarification on this. I know we briefly discussed in another thread but I am still a bit confused. Alonso supposedly began using his eighth engine @ Monza but now for Singapore he is switching back to the engine he used @ SPA.

So basically you can reuse an engine as many times as you like as long as it doesn't fail? Are teams allowed to work on the previously used engines and in essence "rebuild" them to be used again?

It doesn't take much to confuse me.

Announcers just said you can reuse an engine as many times as you like but you CAN'T rebuild any part of it. This is going to get real interesting for Ferrari.

[MontegoblueE92]

Originally Posted by SonnyJack

Has anyone but Sauber (De La Rosa) been penalized for using engine #9?

Massa has. He swapped to his 9th engine at the last race but the penalty didn't affect him because he was starting 24th anyway.

[E90SLAM]

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28.4
a) Each driver may use no more than eight engines during a Championship season. Should a driver use more than eight engines he will drop ten places on the starting grid at the first Event during which each additional engine is used. If two such additional engines are used during a single Event the driver concerned will drop ten places on the starting grid at that Event and at the following Event.

An engine will be deemed to have been used once the car's timing transponder has shown that it has left the pit lane.

b) If a driver is replaced at any time during the Championship season his replacement will be deemed to be the original driver for the purposes of assessing engine usage.

c) After consultation with the relevant engine supplier the FIA will attach seals to each engine prior to it being used for the first time at an Event in order to ensure that no significant moving parts can be rebuilt or replaced.

Within two hours of the end of the post race parc ferme exhaust blanking plates (with one 10mm diameter inspection hole per cylinder) and further seals will be applied to all used engines in order to ensure that these engines cannot be run between Events. Upon request to the FIA these additional seals will be removed after the start of initial scrutineering at the next Event at which the engines are required. All such engines must remain within the team's designated garage area when not fitted to a car and may not be started at any time during an Event other than when fitted to a car eligible to participate in the Event.

d) If any of the FIA seals are damaged or removed from an engine after it has been used for the first time that engine may not be used again unless they were removed under FIA supervision.

e) If an engine is changed in accordance with Article 34.1 the engine which was replaced may not be used during any future qualifying session or race with the exception of the last Event of the Championship.