[Sniz]

Originally Posted by jeremyc74

Ok, so name a modern car the size of the Camaro that's lighter.

Building a car that size that's light isn't easy or cheap. It's not just a domestic thing. No manufacturer is selling cars that size at that price point that are significantly lighter.

Big
Light
Cheap

Pick two.

Agreed, not easy.

How big is the Camaro anyway? its a 2+2 coupe is it not?

The BMW 335 is 200lbs lighter and has very useable back seats....and I think the 335 is a heavyweight. Obviously not as cheap.

[vAnt826]

Originally Posted by jeremyc74

Ok, so name a modern car the size of the Camaro that's lighter.

Building a car that size that's light isn't easy or cheap. It's not just a domestic thing. No manufacturer is selling cars that size at that price point that are significantly lighter.

Big
Light
Cheap

Pick two.

Big and Light!

[gonzo]

Name two big, light and cheap cars was the question.

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Name two big, light and cheap cars was the question.

GT-R?

Oh wait......

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Name two big, light and cheap cars was the question.

ahh well big and light dont go together.

[imported_mega]

it may look big, but the usable interior is not

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by Sniz

ahh well big and light dont go together.

It's all relative to cost. A 5 Series is lighter than a G8, and it's largely because the higher price point allows the use of more expensive materials.

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by imported_mega

it may look big, but the usable interior is not

It's got just as much room as any other two door sports coupe. There's every bit as much room in the back seat as in a 335i, if not more.

[imported_mega]

Originally Posted by jeremyc74

It's all relative to cost. A 5 Series is lighter than a G8, and it's largely because the higher price point allows the use of more expensive materials.

I think you mean, it's price point allows the use of higher profit margins

I'm not aware of any significant difference in materials, but correct me if I'm wrong

[imported_mega]

Originally Posted by jeremyc74

It's got just as much room as any other two door sports coupe. There's every bit as much room in the back seat as in a 335i, if not more.

my point was it looks a lot bigger on the outside, than it really is on the inside

look at the difference between the 1's and the 3's interior space, they are very very close, but the 1's look a lot smaller on the outside

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by imported_mega

I think you mean, it's price point allows the use of higher profit margins

I'm not aware of any significant difference in materials, but correct me if I'm wrong

If you're not aware of any differences, then you've never been under the two cars. BMW makes extensive use of aluminium in the suspension and chassis, and also uses more exotic materials and methods in the engine construction. GM could do the same, but they'd have to raise the price.

[imported_mega]

Originally Posted by jeremyc74

If you're not aware of any differences, then you've never been under the two cars. BMW makes extensive use of aluminium in the suspension and chassis, and also uses more exotic materials and methods in the engine construction. GM could do the same, but they'd have to raise the price.

ahh I think you better go check under a new camaro, based on your post your gonna be in for a surprise, even the caster, camber, and toe angle are fully adjustable.

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by imported_mega

ahh I think you better go check under a new camaro, based on your post your gonna be in for a surprise, even the caster, camber, and toe angle are fully adjustable.

I'm not talking about adjustments, I'm talking about materials.

[Draman]

Originally Posted by imported_mega

ahh I think you better go check under a new camaro, based on your post your gonna be in for a surprise, even the caster, camber, and toe angle are fully adjustable.

What does adjustability have to do with material use? You could make a fully adjustable suspension made of pig iron and the material used would still be garbage. If the discussion is about what materials were used and how that affects the price, then whether or not the suspension can be adjusted is irrelevant. Now I have no idea what the Camaro suspension is, it could be steel, aluminum, magnesium alloy, diamond; I have no idea at all.

[imported_mega]

Originally Posted by jeremyc74

I'm not talking about adjustments, I'm talking about materials.

sigh

I was making 2 points, 1 how far the technology has come on the new camaro

and 2, go look under, most of the front end is aluminum now


I will try to keep my posts simple for you guys in the future

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by imported_mega

sigh

I was making 2 points, 1 how far the technology has come on the new camaro

and 2, go look under, most of the front end is aluminum now

No one is knocking the suspension on the Camaro, but you're simply wrong if you think GM has been able to make extensive use of aluminium under this car as you find on modern BMWs and other more expensive cars.

The front subframe is still steel, and there's still a LOT of stamped steel in the rear as well.

GM has built a nice car at this price point, but weight savings costs money, and anyone who denies that is a fool.

[imported_mega]

Originally Posted by jeremyc74

The front subframe is still steel, and there's still a LOT of stamped steel in the rear as well.

I believe this is false, it's now an aluminum subframe

I suggest you go to a dealer and look at the car, your giving out incorrect information


and if you think GM is unable to do it, you have not seen the specs on the current vets either

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by imported_mega

and if you think GM is unable to do it, you have not seen the specs on the current vets either

I never said GM couldn't do it, I said they couldn't do at at the price point of the Camaro.

The Vette costs $10k more, and is a two seat sports car. Apples to oranges.

[OBI_agent]

Cool.....I hope it breaks into the 10s too.....without nitrous

[imported_mega]

go look under a new camaro

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by OBI_agent

Cool.....I hope it breaks into the 10s too.....without nitrous

with your Accord?

[335ifanatic]

John Hennessey is the biggest joke around. He was chased away from the LX guys a couple years ago because he ripped off a few members and who can forget his epic meltdown on the 300cforums a few years ago.

http://www.300cforums.com/forums/gen...own-board.html