[techlogik]

Originally Posted by blubyu

Saying American cars should be on the top of a foreign exotic list from a foreign biased TV show makes no sense to me. Most of those cars are not affordable and half of them aren't even marketed or purchasable by 99.99% of the population.

Do you not think Ford, Dodge or GM could build a car to compete with those on that list if they actually felt the need to do so? I guarantee the new ZR1 on road race tires would be at least in the middle of that list and you can go to a dealership right now and drive one off the lot for a quarter of the cost of anything above it.

How many Americans do these companies of the cars that top your list from the TV show employee? I for one hate the labor unions that the big 3 stand by but they do provide jobs and they provide cars that get people to work day in and day out.

Ford GT?!?!?!

[shockin330i]

New fastest car in the world was built where? yup in america by Shelby
http://www.shelbysupercars.com/

[DieselDiner]

Originally Posted by medeiro

Roma?? Rossonerri FTW .

On topic, I see what you are saying, it's going to take a long line of goodcars for me to try American, but why deviate from German cars like i said in the last Mustang thread;

The TOP GEAR Power Board
1:16.8 - Bugatti Veyron Super Sport
1:17.1 - Gumpert Apollo Sport
1:17.3 - Ascari A10
1:17.6 - Koenigsegg CCX (with Top Gear Wing)
1:17.7 - Noble M600 (cold)
1:17.8 - Pagani Zonda Roadster F Clubsport
1:17.9 - Caterham Seven R500 (cold tyres)
1:18.3 - Bugatti Veyron
1:18.4 - Pagani Zonda F
1:18.9 - Maserati MC12
1:19.0 - Lamborghini Murciélago LP670-4 SuperVeloce
1:19.0 - Enzo Ferrari
1:19.1 - Ferrari 458 Italia
1:19.5 - Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4
1:19.5 - Porsche 997 GT2
1:19.5 - Ariel Atom 2 300
1:19.7 - Nissan GT-R
1:19.7 - Ferrari 430 Scuderia
1:19.8 - Lamborghini Murciélago LP640
1:19.8 - Porsche Carrera GT

Why don't you list the MSRP for each of those cars too? Then you can have a real conversation about performance relative to cost. BTW, where's the sainted BMW on that list?

[blubyu]

Originally Posted by techlogik

Ford GT?!?!?!

No longer made, but IMO was a bad ass car.

[techlogik]

I did run into a new 5.0. It was black, had the red 5.0 badge I think....but he was going through the drive-thru at Starbucks.

I thought only BMW driving douche nozzles went to Starbucks?!?!

Ford Mustang 5.0 drivers are supposed to go to the local gas station and grab a cup of Joe from the machine for $.50 and load it with powder creamer and sugar?!?!

[BaMBaM4002]

Hows this new 5.0 running up against the 2010 camaro SS ?

[shockin330i]

Originally Posted by BaMBaM4002

Hows this new 5.0 running up against the 2010 camaro SS ?

spanks it

[BaMBaM4002]

Originally Posted by shockin330i

spanks it

the Camaro has much more displacement too

[GAaaAR]

When you talk about exotic cars, you're talking about more than just performance. Think looks, performance and unique. Something that just grabs everybody's attention when it drives past. Having said that, most ppl that have the money to buy an exotic car don't care for buying a car of similiar performance for 1/3 the price. It's more about status at that point.

[MisterSkiMask]

There seems to be some confusion around here, the 5.0 has no sc, it is na

[StatenEye]

Originally Posted by DieselDiner

Why don't you list the MSRP for each of those cars too? Then you can have a real conversation about performance relative to cost. BTW, where's the sainted BMW on that list?

Damn lol. My point was to show the Euro mindset when designing a car vs the American mindset. I would not dare compare any car on that list to a mustang, I'm not dumb. I'm just saying I wish America would start producing game changing cars that's all. BMW is on the list, the Ascari. Do your homework and please don't take my comment out of context, be smarter with your response. Nobody was talking performance to cost but if you want to go there the Ariel atom MSRP is...... 50k my man, how is that for cost : performance.. lol.

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by medeiro

Damn lol. My point was to show the Euro mindset when designing a car vs the American mindset. I would not dare compare any car on that list to a mustang, I'm not dumb. I'm just saying I wish America would start producing game changing cars that's all. BMW is on the list, the Ascari. Do your homework and please don't take my comment out of context, be smarter with your response. Nobody was talking performance to cost but if you want to go there the Ariel atom MSRP is...... 50k my man, how is that for cost : performance.. lol.

I would argue that the new 5.0, the CTS-V and the ZR1 are game changing cars.

The American car companies have to try to make a profit on these cars, and for whatever reason we have all decided that we are not going to spend over $xxx on an American car, so they have to be built to a price.

For a standard run of the mill Mustang to be compared on the same breath, not to mention favorably to a new M3 is game changing.

The fact that I, a bit of a car snob, am considering buying a 5.0 speaks volumes about how far American cars, and the Mustang specifically have come.

[StatenEye]

Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

I would argue that the new 5.0, the CTS-V and the ZR1 are game changing cars.

The American car companies have to try to make a profit on these cars, and for whatever reason we have all decided that we are not going to spend over $xxx on an American car, so they have to be built to a price.

For a standard run of the mill Mustang to be compared on the same breath, not to mention favorably to a new M3 is game changing.

The fact that I, a bit of a car snob, am considering buying a 5.0 speaks volumes about how far American cars, and the Mustang specifically have come.

Valid point. The build quality in terms of the interior still needs to be cleaned up a bit and made to look more flowing. And they need to start using a IRS to increase driver comfort and trust.

If Ford were to match the interior and look of the M3 then the price would be closer to the M3.

My main point is American companies need to make it the norm to be competitive with cars like the M3. I'd much rather buy an American car and I wish the decision was easier. To many ford fusions, escapes and fiestas on the road they bring the brand name down and don't allow ford to make a 50k sports car BC people will think "its just a ford". Which leads me to my previous point of why i don't buy American, BC they are into selling cheap fusions, v6 stangs, fiestas and not producing high quality cars for buyers in our price range. Ford and BMW cannot be compared, its just not possible.

[jmar0351]

Originally Posted by medeiro

Roma?? Rossonerri FTW .

On topic, I see what you are saying, it's going to take a long line of goodcars for me to try American, but why deviate from German cars like i said in the last Mustang thread;

The TOP GEAR Power Board
1:16.8 - Bugatti Veyron Super Sport
1:17.1 - Gumpert Apollo Sport
1:17.3 - Ascari A10
1:17.6 - Koenigsegg CCX (with Top Gear Wing)
1:17.7 - Noble M600 (cold)
1:17.8 - Pagani Zonda Roadster F Clubsport
1:17.9 - Caterham Seven R500 (cold tyres)
1:18.3 - Bugatti Veyron
1:18.4 - Pagani Zonda F
1:18.9 - Maserati MC12
1:19.0 - Lamborghini Murciélago LP670-4 SuperVeloce
1:19.0 - Enzo Ferrari
1:19.1 - Ferrari 458 Italia
1:19.5 - Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4
1:19.5 - Porsche 997 GT2
1:19.5 - Ariel Atom 2 300
1:19.7 - Nissan GT-R
1:19.7 - Ferrari 430 Scuderia
1:19.8 - Lamborghini Murciélago LP640
1:19.8 - Porsche Carrera GT

We are America!! We should have at least 15 cars in the top 20!! I will not support American until ratios like this improve!! Europeans put more heart into their cars, it is clear the American manufacturers only objective is $... Bugatti loses 5 million on every Veyron they sell. This is why American car manufactureres had to be covered by tarp while Euro manus remained profitable. The Mustan is a small step, the interior is still inferior and the body is just not cutting it. The engine is good but they still have the dreaded live rear axle! bumpy roads = jumpy rear. Spend more money on RD and maybe we will stop buying Euro cars. If I wanted a cheap track car I would buy an EVO not a stang so the performance argument is just not enough! If I were to buy an American car it would be the Z06 which is a pretty cool car but the interior still cheesy. Come on USA step it up!!

Thanks for opening my eyes. I guess all the people that post on BMW boards are going to go buy bugatti's now. Come on guy, you can't compare these cars to anything that is an actual production car. And BMW's are nice but they are just as far away from these cars as mustangs are.

[Bavarian E92]

Anyone want to comment on the OP's question? All these other discussions about who is a better car manufacturer are all irrelevant. Since it's quite obvious a stock 335 can't beat a stock 5.0, we should just comment on modded 335's vs stock 5.0's.

[StatenEye]

Originally Posted by jmar0351

Thanks for opening my eyes. I guess all the people that post on BMW boards are going to go buy bugatti's now. Come on guy, you can't compare these cars to anything that is an actual production car. And BMW's are nice but they are just as far away from these cars as mustangs are.

Wow man are you reading my posts??? Company vs company not car vs car, come on man. how many times do i have to say it? It's a data sample indicative of the ideology of car making from region to region!!! We as car enthusiasts prefer the euro mindset not the American!! I have to stop posting here.

Read the below!

"My main point is American companies need to make it the norm to be competitive with cars like the M3. I'd much rather buy an American car and I wish the decision was easier. To many ford fusions, escapes and fiestas on the road they bring the brand name down and don't allow ford to make a 50k sports car BC people will think "its just a ford". Which leads me to my previous point of why i don't buy American, BC they are into selling cheap fusions, v6 stangs, fiestas and not producing high quality cars for buyers in our price range. Ford and BMW cannot be compared, its just not possible.

[kjrulz]

Ford>BMW. BMW gave up. They rely on their name and egotistical buyers. That's where ford, Hyundai, etc have stepped up and taken over.

Good luck...

[kjrulz]

Originally Posted by Bavarian E92

Anyone want to comment on the OP's question? All these other discussions about who is a better car manufacturer are all irrelevant. Since it's quite obvious a stock 335 can't beat a stock 5.0, we should just comment on modded 335's vs stock 5.0's.

Equal driving abilities would require a stage 2 335 to beat a 5.0

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by DieselDiner

Why don't you list the MSRP for each of those cars too? Then you can have a real conversation about performance relative to cost. BTW, where's the sainted BMW on that list?

wheres the mustang?

[DieselDiner]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

wheres the mustang?

Ahead of the BMW.

[shockin330i]

Originally Posted by DieselDiner

Ahead of the BMW.

i loled...

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by medeiro

Wow man are you reading my posts??? Company vs company not car vs car, come on man. how many times do i have to say it? It's a data sample indicative of the ideology of car making from region to region!!! We as car enthusiasts prefer the euro mindset not the American!! I have to stop posting here.

Read the below!

"My main point is American companies need to make it the norm to be competitive with cars like the M3. I'd much rather buy an American car and I wish the decision was easier. To many ford fusions, escapes and fiestas on the road they bring the brand name down and don't allow ford to make a 50k sports car BC people will think "its just a ford". Which leads me to my previous point of why i don't buy American, BC they are into selling cheap fusions, v6 stangs, fiestas and not producing high quality cars for buyers in our price range. Ford and BMW cannot be compared, its just not possible.

You have fallen for the marketing. BMW, and MB make much cheaper cars for Europe, they just don't bring them here for fear of diluting the brand. In China Buick is a premium brand, its all perception and marketing.