[Ozzie335i]

Some here have CPO cars, and yanking out more than a charge pipe and tune for dealer maintenance may be asking a lot. An entire meth injection system will be out of the question. Not to mention, some may not necessarily want or need Darkhold power levels. Yet. What might increase sales would be power figures on stage 2, the Pure charge pipe, and a tune. Perhaps at 15, or 17 psi. Heck, both. Especially in light that at the same boost levels increased power is expected over stock, or Pure stage 1. Is 400 + whp @ 15 psi with the above setup out of the question without meth, or filling up our tanks with 6 gallons of e85 expecting too much?

[CXC-ART]

Do you guys have any horsepower numbers or estimates to how much this kit will make?

[1cleann55]

Originally Posted by Ozzie335i

Some here have CPO cars, and yanking out more than a charge pipe and tune for dealer maintenance may be asking a lot. An entire meth injection system will be out of the question. Not to mention, some may not necessarily want or need Darkhold power levels. Yet. What might increase sales would be power figures on stage 2, the Pure charge pipe, and a tune. Perhaps at 15, or 17 psi. Heck, both. Especially in light that at the same boost levels increased power is expected over stock, or Pure stage 1. Is 400 + whp @ 15 psi with the above setup out of the question without meth, or filling up our tanks with 6 gallons of e85 expecting too much?

If you don't want a lot of power and only wish to run 15-17psi a stage 1 is more than enough to satisfy those needs. Stage 2 turbo is for people who wish to ruN 450whp and more and to accomplish that you'll need fuel and or meth to satisfy those needs. Even at 17psi sometype of E85 mixture should be considered. VTT stage 2 made 410whp on 91 and meth based on that result I doubt you'll make 400whp on no mix or meth

[PeterPure]

Originally Posted by Ozzie335i

Some here have CPO cars, and yanking out more than a charge pipe and tune for dealer maintenance may be asking a lot. An entire meth injection system will be out of the question. Not to mention, some may not necessarily want or need Darkhold power levels. Yet. What might increase sales would be power figures on stage 2, the Pure charge pipe, and a tune. Perhaps at 15, or 17 psi. Heck, both. Especially in light that at the same boost levels increased power is expected over stock, or Pure stage 1. Is 400 + whp @ 15 psi with the above setup out of the question without meth, or filling up our tanks with 6 gallons of e85 expecting too much?

I will dyno stage2 on 93 octane and i guess 14 psi will do at that octane level. I will also post 60-130 times with jb4 logs at different boost levels and compare those with my stage1 times. All my times are gps logged

[iuhutch]

Originally Posted by Darkhold

I will dyno stage2 on 93 octane and i guess 14 psi will do at that octane level. I will also post 60-130 times with jb4 logs at different boost levels and compare those with my stage1 times. All my times are gps logged

Did you ever get anywhere with your bench flash?

[turbo_chris]

Originally Posted by Ozzie335i

Some here have CPO cars, and yanking out more than a charge pipe and tune for dealer maintenance may be asking a lot. An entire meth injection system will be out of the question. Not to mention, some may not necessarily want or need Darkhold power levels. Yet. What might increase sales would be power figures on stage 2, the Pure charge pipe, and a tune. Perhaps at 15, or 17 psi. Heck, both. Especially in light that at the same boost levels increased power is expected over stock, or Pure stage 1. Is 400 + whp @ 15 psi with the above setup out of the question without meth, or filling up our tanks with 6 gallons of e85 expecting too much?

Pure isn't asking anyone to do anything. If you want HP, you need to be willing to up the octane. High compression motors + bigger turbo/boost = E85, meth, or race gas for substantial gains. A stock turbo N55 won't take much more than 15psi with 93 octane. Don't expect to see a stage 1 or 2 turbo dyno at 17psi with 93 octane.

[Mingwan]

Ok, I'm having trouble understanding why these cars aren't able to make substantial power without meth/e85/high octane fuel, even with upgraded turbos. Perhaps someone can afford to educate me. Is it related to the direct injection system, or some sort of cooling issue that requires better fuel or an addition of cooling systems? I do realize these oem turbos are quite small, and even a modification to increase airflow in the oem unit does not ultimately hide the fact that the N55 deserves are larger turbo, but I came from a Honda background where I frequently saw these small 2.0l (k20) engines produce in excess of 500whp on pump gas, and much more with e85 or something like C16. So what gives?

[JETmn]

Originally Posted by Mingwan

Ok, I'm having trouble understanding why these cars aren't able to make substantial power without meth/e85/high octane fuel, even with upgraded turbos. Perhaps someone can afford to educate me. Is it related to the direct injection system, or some sort of cooling issue that requires better fuel or an addition of cooling systems? I do realize these oem turbos are quite small, and even a modification to increase airflow in the oem unit does not ultimately hide the fact that the N55 deserves are larger turbo, but I came from a Honda background where I frequently saw these small 2.0l (k20) engines produce in excess of 500whp on pump gas, and much more with e85 or something like C16. So what gives?

The high compression in the engine limits how much boost you can run. Remember the honduh guys would put thicker headgaskets or lower compression pistons in to run boost. It is a common practice. A larger turbo is also more efficient, so you can make more power at the same boost level.

Boost adds compression, so higher compression is the same as running more boost, but you are not able to run it through an intercooler so it adds more heat than boost does.

[e36addict]

OOH this is exciting. Now someone buy this and put it on a dyno.. We need to beat VTT numbers so I can buy one

[Bimmer28312]

Will you guys have any special rate to have it installed at your shop??

[iuhutch]

Originally Posted by Bimmer28312

Will you guys have any special rate to have it installed at your shop??

And/or GROUP BUYS!!???

Jesse, you know I can pull multiple orders again

[iuhutch]

Originally Posted by e36addict

OOH this is exciting. Now someone buy this and put it on a dyno.. We need to beat VTT numbers so I can buy one

Word on the streets is that the VTT units look like they were ported with a dremel

[Pure Turbos]

If you guys haven't already seen this, check it:

Mexico test run
FBO N54 440hp/470tq (camera car) vs. 135i N55 PURE Stage 2, 18 to 19psi

Originally Posted by e36addict

OOH this is exciting. Now someone buy this and put it on a dyno.. We need to beat VTT numbers so I can buy one

There will be 3 test cars running this turbo in short time. 3 other customers on the schedule for PURE install in the next 3 weeks. Dyno results coming soon...

Originally Posted by Bimmer28312

Will you guys have any special rate to have it installed at your shop??

Yes, please PM for details.

Originally Posted by iuhutch

And/or GROUP BUYS!!???

Jesse, you know I can pull multiple orders again

Dang, you PURE Stage 1 guys are already getting such a good exchange deal! Shoot me an email, I'll think about it

[Ozzie335i]

Originally Posted by JETmn

The high compression in the engine limits how much boost you can run. Remember the honduh guys would put thicker headgaskets or lower compression pistons in to run boost. It is a common practice. A larger turbo is also more efficient, so you can make more power at the same boost level.

Boost adds compression, so higher compression is the same as running more boost, but you are not able to run it through an intercooler so it adds more heat than boost does.

To what Mingoan said, here here. And to what Jet said, a part anyway "A larger turbo is also more efficient... make more power at the same boost level." This is the point I am trying to make, and the cool guys shoot me down. Don't need the power we seek, do this. My responses are 1) not everybody wants or needs to max it out. Now anyhow. We just want a bit more. Am I wrong in that the whole reason for stage 1 and stage 2 is for stealth? and 2) If people really want more power, real power, why go with a compromised turbo shell in the first place? Go with the single turbo ala VTT?, and get 600 + hp. Going small and getting 30 extra hp by yanking out your downpipe, living with the smell and hoping you can slip by without resorting to having to yank it out once a year doesn't sound like it is worth it. So there, give me 400, ok 380, so what, with Stage 2, the charge pipe, and 93 octane, and I am in. FWIW, I did Pure 1 after the Dinan 3 upgrade and it was an improvement. Did I Dyno it before and after? No. So what, it was worth it, and I'd do it again.

[rhm135]

Originally Posted by Pure Turbos

If you guys haven't already seen this, check it:

Mexico test run
FBO N54 440hp/470tq (camera car) vs. 135i N55 PURE Stage 2, 18 to 19psi

Loving this video! And at only 18-19 psi! Looking good PURE.

[Nugget]

To all the people saying you won't make more power on just pump, this was my result with the competitors stage 2 on just pump.
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1003520

Obviously you can make much more once you start mixing in ethanol

[D's Bimmer]

Originally Posted by Ozzie335i

To what Mingoan said, here here. And to what Jet said, a part anyway "A larger turbo is also more efficient... make more power at the same boost level." This is the point I am trying to make, and the cool guys shoot me down. Don't need the power we seek, do this. My responses are 1) not everybody wants or needs to max it out. Now anyhow. We just want a bit more. Am I wrong in that the whole reason for stage 1 and stage 2 is for stealth? and 2) If people really want more power, real power, why go with a compromised turbo shell in the first place? Go with the single turbo ala VTT?, and get 600 + hp. Going small and getting 30 extra hp by yanking out your downpipe, living with the smell and hoping you can slip by without resorting to having to yank it out once a year doesn't sound like it is worth it. So there, give me 400, ok 380, so what, with Stage 2, the charge pipe, and 93 octane, and I am in. FWIW, I did Pure 1 after the Dinan 3 upgrade and it was an improvement. Did I Dyno it before and after? No. So what, it was worth it, and I'd do it again.

I am with you man! I have Dinan Stage II and it is a solid improvement over stock. I would like to go the Stage I route if, with a proper tune from say PTF, on 93 fuel and maybe an intercooler upgrade, I can make a similar jump in performance power yet again. I think allot of us are in the camp from a practical standpoint.

[PeterPure]

Originally Posted by Ozzie335i

To what Mingoan said, here here. And to what Jet said, a part anyway "A larger turbo is also more efficient... make more power at the same boost level." This is the point I am trying to make, and the cool guys shoot me down. Don't need the power we seek, do this. My responses are 1) not everybody wants or needs to max it out. Now anyhow. We just want a bit more. Am I wrong in that the whole reason for stage 1 and stage 2 is for stealth? and 2) If people really want more power, real power, why go with a compromised turbo shell in the first place? Go with the single turbo ala VTT?, and get 600 + hp. Going small and getting 30 extra hp by yanking out your downpipe, living with the smell and hoping you can slip by without resorting to having to yank it out once a year doesn't sound like it is worth it. So there, give me 400, ok 380, so what, with Stage 2, the charge pipe, and 93 octane, and I am in. FWIW, I did Pure 1 after the Dinan 3 upgrade and it was an improvement. Did I Dyno it before and after? No. So what, it was worth it, and I'd do it again.

My pure made 420 crank hp at 14.5 psi. That boost you can do at 93 octane only.

I will dyno stage2 at 14.5 psi as well i bet it will be 450/460 crank hp as well.

[iuhutch]

Ordered mine yesterday! I can't wait to get this beauty

[PURE135i]

Originally Posted by iuhutch

Ordered mine yesterday! I can't wait to get this beauty

helll yeahhhhhhhhhh

[PeterPure]

There will be a small army running these turbos soon

[loesch]

Originally Posted by iuhutch

Ordered mine yesterday! I can't wait to get this beauty

Congrats! Wish I had the loot to do this now.