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Helix Attaché 335i (Auto) VS PROcede 1.47 335i (6 spd) VIDEO
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12-07-2007, 09:55 AM | #89 |
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12-07-2007, 10:07 AM | #92 | |
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Good morning all. OK, wait, your statement here is confusing or something. If you were in the camera car recording...which was the manual car, how could you of looked down too see if the auto car (Helix) was really in 3rd?? Something is up with these runs too. I have an auto v1.47 coupe and I don't lose that bad to a v2.02 car. Here's what I'm thinking. 1. The PROcede car was a manual the Helix an auto. The autos are worth a full CL as it is over the manuals. 2. The manual PROcede car also had a passenger videotaping, I suspect the Helix car had no passenger. And what were the weights of the people in each car. If the PROcede driver was heavier than the Helix car driver the Helix car could of had significantly less weight in his car. 3. I also suspect the Helix car was on the high boost map and probably running race gas mixture as well. 4. The PROcede car probably had more fuel in the tank and was only on 93 Octane. 5. The Helix car most likely downshifted if they started at a speed/gear where the rpms where less than 4000. 6. It's hard to tell in the video, but did the Helix car also have aftermarket wheels? And did the PROcede car have stock wheels? If so, I'd guess the Helix car's wheels were lighter too, giving yet another advantage. It just all adds up to a pretty sizeable advantage for the Helix driver. If the Helix can trap 113 on 96 Octane race gas mix with the higher boost, plus had less weight (maybe as much as 300 lbs if it didn't have a passenger, had less gas, had lighter wheels, had a lighter driver), and it downshifted to a lower gear, I can see it pulling 5-6+ CL on the v1.47 PROcede car like it did, but clearly then with all those factors, it was not a fair race. |
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12-07-2007, 10:16 AM | #93 | |
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The fact is, if anyone looks hard enough, they can find faults in any race. No race will ever be equal or fair. Way too many parameters for people to complain about. Unless timeslips are involved, racing on the street proves nothing. C'est la vie.
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12-07-2007, 10:51 AM | #95 |
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I want to apologize to everyone, my post came out all wrong. All I meant to say was that for the first video posted about the Attache, it should have been an equal comparison. I do look forward to reading more about it because I've learned a lot since I'm been here and with the new products that are continually released, we all learn more each day.
Revah as much as I would love to respond to you, I won't. Just as you're free to post your opinion, I'm free to ignore it since I could really care less what you think. Lets leave it at that mmkay?
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12-07-2007, 10:58 AM | #96 |
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Not in manual mode. I drive around all the time in manual mode, give it 100% full thottle at 2000 rpm's with no downshift. Just push down to the detent button on the accelerator. Works great
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If you are starting at 40 MPH in 3rd and you push in the accel 100% you will go past the Kick Point, and at 40 MPH it will downshift to second gear. When we started in 3rd gear at 40 MPH I held it before the kick point, untill I got high enough in the RPM range where it would not downshift. When we started off in 60MPH we were both in 3rd again and at this point I did go past the kick down because at this point it could not shift into a lower gear.
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Manual final: (+ means taller, - means shorter) 1: 12.50 == +13% 2: 7.39 == +9% 3: 4.87 == +7.5% 4: 3.67 == +7% 5: 3.08 == -2% 6: 2.68 == -12% Auto final: 1: 14.43 2: 8.10 3: 5.26 4: 3.94 5: 3.01 6: 2.39 As you can see, the ZF auto in the 335 has a 13% more aggressive gear ratio for 1st, 9% in 2nd, and so on. Pretty considerable. 5th gear is a wee bit more relaxed though, at -2%, but 6th (overdrive, if you may) is quite a bit more relaxed at -12%. A bit off-topic, but, this explains the slightly superior highway mpg of the auto 335i over the manual cars, even though they weigh slightly more (22lbs), and have a slightly higher drivetrain loss. Nonetheless apparently the 12% more relaxed gearing in 6th gear overcomes those two things to give the AT a ~1mpg improvement at hwy cruise. |
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12-07-2007, 11:56 AM | #102 |
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A few posts sooner than the last time this question was asked.
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OR, the obvious answer, when its ready.
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All I can say is "I hope all the hype about this product is 100% true when it is released."
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For the price, the hype cant be beat.
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330+ hp on a mustang dyno with race gas is good but a v2 will do more than that (still assuming race gas) and still won't pull as hard as this video displays over 1.47... wonder what the deal is? I think auto vs. manual explains 1 car length, the next two could to to a better mod but it's still hard to believe just due to the burst of power out of the hole. Does ATTACHE use dual solenoid boost controll? The thing that is really odd is just how hard the HELIX pulls in the first gear, after that is more understandable...
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