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12-15-2012, 12:02 PM | #1 |
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N51 with AA stage 2 tune
Recently I figured out I had an N51 instead of an N52. When I thought I had an N52 I was planning to do a 3 stage swap and a tune, but now I am doing a PI and tune on top of my PE. So basically what I have to ask is when you get a stage 2 tune on an n51 ( which has a 3 stage ) does the tune provided even more hp? I would think this because 1. it has a 3 stage and 2. with the N51 the factory "de-tuned" the car basically because of the 3 stage so when you get the tune it ( at least this is what I think ) unleashes the car to its full power.
I could be totally wrong in my assumptions thats why Im asking you guys So if anyone has any information please fill me in, Thanks! |
12-15-2012, 12:29 PM | #2 | |
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yes, biggest difference is low end TQ 2300-2800rpm, which is freeway crusing speed in 6th gear. N51 was tuned down to follow the tq curve of N52 328i, which is flat, so u wont feel when DISA is kicking on and dealer wont have to explain why N51 feels different then N52. with tune, u will feel engine kicks on around 3300 and 4500 rpm, its feel almost like mini turbo boost or vtec.
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12-15-2012, 01:28 PM | #4 |
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I doubt, but secretly hope, it is any faster than n52.
N51s have a smaller compression ratio of 10:0 and also a more restrictive exhaust. There is also a secondary air injection system that pumps ambient air into the cats to slow their heating up. I think it is for SULEV requirements. I would love to know if this thing decreases or improves performance of the N51. Seems like unnecessary weight that's only used for emissions. Teeg are u planning to dyno before and after?
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N52 came with secondary air injection as well, i think the other difference is with both main and secondary cat, it appears to be denser/havier according to online part catalog. Quote:
here is the dyno chart for you guys to reference. car is with early beta version of ESS N51 tune and PI. ESS tune dyno'd first and stock tune second at same time, so probably not much time for DME to adapt back to stock setting. I feel car probably can do about 220hp with PE and current revision of the tune, but yet to find time to confirm.
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I have an N51 with the AA stage 2 tune, PE, and modded stock air intake.
I don't have any dyno charts to show you, but I'd highly recommend the AA tune. My butt-dyno says it makes power. DS and manual mode on my auto are lots of fun. The throttle delay from a stop is practically gone. Acceleration is increased. Throttle response is increased. You will definitely notice the difference once the car has adjusted over several hundred miles. Two thumbs up for AA. Last edited by Wrngway; 12-15-2012 at 05:40 PM.. |
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And I want to get dyno before and after but it looks like I won't be able to get one scheduled before the tune but I will get one done after
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That's a substantial increase in torque in the lower RPMs. Can't wait to see AA dyno on an N51
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I've been running the AA stage 2 on my N51 for a little more than a year now. I still love it. I don't have any second thoughts at all after all this time. It does take a fair amount of time to adapt. It took mine a week or two before it settled in so dynoing right after installing any tune probably isn't doing it much justice. |
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If you do remove the second cats, don't forget that it takes time for the ECU to adapt to. The adaptation takes about 1-2 tanks of gas. There after you will feel some power gain in the mid to high rpm range. You do lose a little bit of low end torque. I can't speak for this paired with the AA stage 2 tune, but I'm sure that the tune will bring back the power on the low end. Hopefully at LEAST back up to stock if not more.
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Pe is the BMW performace exhaust...deff do it sounds amazing look it up on youtube.
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Hello my brothers! One here is under the impression that the Secondary Air Injection is there to cool down the catalytic converter, and I have to explain, that is not the purpose. Secondary Air Injection simply blows air into the exhaust gases immediately exiting the exhaust valve in an attempt to further burn any unburned gas that is exiting the combustion chamber.
It is a small amount of air, and if one thinks removing this will gain you horsepower, as many in the 1970's incorrectly surmised, you would be wrong today, too. As you may notice with the Automatic transmission models, when the engine is cold the transmission shifts occur at a slightly higher rpm than when warm by design, and for one purpose: to heat the catalytic converter quicker, as it does not burn unburned fuel when it is cold! They need heat to do their work and to keep clean. |
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Hint, it's a trick question - N51 Engine with AA Headers, AFE Stage 2 SI Intake, Custom 3" Exhaust merging right after the headers. |
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