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The other alternative was to continue developing the Xede, get it to the point that it was working the way we wanted it to work, sell a whole bunch and THEN says.. "Hey guys, we got VANOS and speed limiter control now. Unfortunately, it wont work on the Xede you have. You have to now purchase the Xede II which is a completely different system. Vist our website to place an online order." We opt for alternative #1. Quote:
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03-11-2007, 12:34 PM | #92 |
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Why would you keep a new radio controlled map switching board in the same box as a bunch of Xedes with "clearly marked" fault notes on them? Is that your junk pile?
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03-11-2007, 12:37 PM | #93 | |
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I'd suggest Shiv and his previous vendor not air their dirty laundry in public, but if you've been following their posts I believe Shiv claimed he wanted more control over the product and Lok is suggesting he (they) wanted multiple US distributors for XEDE.
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03-11-2007, 01:14 PM | #95 |
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03-11-2007, 01:27 PM | #96 |
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I think I just want a reliable solution to increasing my car's performance with minimal risk of my engine failing. I certainly don't care who makes it. I do want reliable service though should something go wrong. Most things I buy I research. Shiv has provided us all with a large amount of information that we (at least I) don't usually have access to before buying something. It seems he has a thorough knowledge and a wealth of experience (as do other tuners), and is willing to answer questions. Maybe it's because he was the first on the boards here, but it seems no one else has walked us through their development of their product. Maybe in a year we'll have more info on others piggyback ecu's. Until then, not sure why someone here would pick something else than the Procede. Now give me more info on your R&D, and maybe I will change my mind. If you're just gonna come on here and attack other tuners because of some personal spat then shut up (really that goes both ways). We (I) don't care. BTW... How many of the big BMW aftermarket companies work on turbo engines regularly? Especially since BMW has been cranking out so many twin turbo engines over the last 10 years.
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03-11-2007, 01:36 PM | #97 |
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Shiv I highly sugest you find a way to encrypt your maps and setup your using,It cleary shows that you have some people that want to bring you down and kinda rip off your hard earned work...
I am patiently waiting for the tuned vanos version maps and some race gas maps for you other tuners why dont you build up your rep the right way and not use bs dramma like little school kids. Heres a hint....Fly over here and tune people cars like Shiv has done and slowly build up your rep. I don't care if Shivs unit is a haltec...ect it looks like he is using the best hardware for us and standing behind his work. I don;t know any other tuners that have spent this much time on one car and answer all these questions in the forums... I don't see turner,RD,Dinan or any of the top dogs in here everyday helping out... |
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03-11-2007, 01:41 PM | #98 | |
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I'm guessing, but I assume he put the radio controlled map switching board in a box of failed xedes because he thought it would be a nice way to frame it and make two points at once, the board exists and xedes suck. He did get up on the "wong" side of the bed after all! It's great to see the maturity of a vendor who creates a bunch of accounts to flame a competitor who dumped their asses! I haven't bought either product yet, but this helps in choosing a vendor to trust and respect! And it's a great laugh too! |
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However, don't be a clueless Shiv fanboy. Shiv is not doing anything special, regardless of whatever "inside" information he may appear to have. Shiv markets a good product, and he puts plenty of his own time into fine tuning it. But it's still a business... This is NOT an attack on Shiv by any means, but this bashing of other products/people/vendors is just ignorant.
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03-11-2007, 01:55 PM | #100 |
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I don't see much value in this thread either, but I will say that Shiv and his small team has worked tirelessly for the past 6 months or so testing their products (XEDE then PROcede) on the 335.
He has made numerous trips across country, installed dozens of units, and has lots of dyno slips to prove it. He and his guys have also regularly posted on this forum answering questions. Do they have issues? Of course they do. There are people that have been waiting 3-4 months on their orders. But, everyone must respect Shiv and his team's effort. They have by far the largest track record of work and proven installs on the 335. I couldn't car less whether he uses the XEDE or the PROcede. The fact is that he has a product that is proven and tested. He also shows a willingness to continue to develop it. This is illustrated by his identifying problems with the XEDE and changing products. For me, that is all that someone could ask for. As to the other vendors, welcome. The bar for you to overcome has been set high. Good luck! |
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03-11-2007, 02:04 PM | #101 | |
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In the case of the PROcede, things are a bit different. It is a proprietary product that has a lot of behind the scene development time and features. Some of features and functions have readily disclosed. Others we're not so loose lipped about for obvious reasons. A lot of things have happened in the last decade. The least of which have been our shift from standalone computers to interceptor style piggybacks. But yes, you are correct. We are not doing anything that any other developer/tuning can't do given some understanding, travel time and a fair chunk of effort. But the IP we have in the PROcede is substantially more than we had in the TEC-II kit. Cheers, shiv |
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03-11-2007, 02:14 PM | #102 |
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Hey guys,
I'm a new BMW owner (I'm not) and new to this forum (I'm not). I just bought a brand new 335i (I have a 15 month old 330) and I'm lookin for some more HP/torque. Let's see if I have this straight: 1. Vishnu = 1300.00 Competition = 1500.00 2. Vishnu = 60 whp gain Competition = 40 whp gain 3. Vishnu = about 100 customers or more with few major problems Competition = a few customers with a couple hundred miles experience, and no major problems. Besides all the "I can piss farther than you can" stuff.... anything Shiv or Xede would like to add?
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03-11-2007, 02:32 PM | #103 |
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What are these major problems? We had/have some problems right now but they are/where with people running our old Xedes (which will be/have been swapped out). Other than that, I know of 3 other problems right now. One looks to be like a fuel pump problem. The other 2 looks to be a bad crimp on the wiring harness. Nothing I would consider major. But certainly necessitating additional attention. -shiv |
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03-11-2007, 02:57 PM | #104 |
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Personally I think this is the most interesting thread I have ever read. I believe that carefully reading Shiv's responses proves his knowledge of the two products. In every case he has called it like it is. To me, this thread is full disclosure. If we had more of these kinds of threads, forum members could make more informed decisions.
Dirty laundry? I think not. Understanding the underlying reasons for the switch from XEDE to Procede is invaluable. As a beta tester, the information in this thread is merely back-story. However, for someone still on the fence, it is a must read. The XEDE has its issues. Had this discussion taken place 3 months ago, I would have waited for the Procede to come out. None-the-less, I am satisfied with Shiv and his commitment to his customers. |
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You also forgot the RWTQ increases; I think the TQ is very important to mention, since the PROcede is adding ~ 100+ lb.-ft. RWTQ vs. ~ 40 lb.-ft. RWTQ for the competitive product; that's a significant difference (more than 2x), and what helps to get you off to a very fast start (provided you can get all that power to the wheels for a decent launch ). Hey, let's not kid ourselves...one of the main reasons why most of us love the FI tt 335i is b/c of the very high TQ in the stock car (compared with its competitors like the Infiniti G35, etc.); so adding ~ 100+ lb.-ft. RWTQ more with the PROcede is just mind-boggling and a real rush to be behind the wheel!!!! Increasing RWTQ by ~ 40 lb.-ft. RWTQ (for a total of ~ 325 lb.-ft. RWTQ) would be ok too, but not nearly as intense of having ~ 385-400 lb.-ft RWTQ!!!!
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The more posts from Shiv & other vendors, the more informative reading. I just skip the other posts saying box a is technically better than box b, because vendor X spends more time on forums/development/wherever... Thanks Shiv for your input. It's good to know I pay for real advantages rather than you spending your time here. Especially, since I don't get paid by providing insights here Have a nice off-forum Sunday! |
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