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03-24-2013, 09:19 AM | #1 |
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E90 M3 vs AMG C63
Watched this on the main page. Its not in English but interesting to watch....
I had a respect for C63 but after watching this ....
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03-25-2013, 06:02 PM | #7 |
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An M3 will always muller a C63 on track....this is old news that we all know.
I'd imagine after driving both of them, you'd probably still have respect for the C63 as a ROAD car. As a car to own, the C63 also tends to feel the more special of the two for more of the time. All spoken with the voice of unbiased experience |
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The M3 is an "M" car and the Merc a family car with a big engine. Imagine how average the Merc would be if it have a 4.0 ltr engine like the M3.
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03-26-2013, 07:08 AM | #12 | |
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Sorry, have to disagree with that. The Merc is more than a family car with a big engine. I have only driven one C63 and it was far more than a regular C Class with a big engine. The E9X M3 is getting more and more like that, compared with the rawness of the E46, as is the new M5 compared to the E60 M5. The Mercs seem to be getting more extreme while the M cars seem to be getting softer and softer. Not a good thing imho. |
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03-26-2013, 08:12 AM | #13 | |
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My point is really if it had the same power as the BM. How far would it trail? Last edited by creepy coupe; 03-26-2013 at 08:18 AM.. |
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03-26-2013, 03:02 PM | #15 | |
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Every back to back includes how cars perform on a track and, lets be honest, comparisons always over-index on how a car 'handles'. And in this area, like I said above, the Merc is well and truly beaten. As a car to use everyday on the road, the Merc IS the better car. In fact, I'd even go as far as saying that it's overall 'handling' on the road is preferable to the BMW's - it's lower limits mean you have more fun, and it's steering feel, a crucial part which you feel the benefit of every single day, is much preferable to the BMW's. Both of which mean that in everyday driving, in the hands of the ordinary Joe, it's simply the better car. |
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03-26-2013, 03:41 PM | #16 |
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I think a lot of this is subjective and boils down to personal needs and desires. Ive been very lucky to own some fantastic cars over the years (although thats a stupidly ridiculous comment when you consider Andrews "previous"!!!) and ive loved and hated every single one of them and all for very different reasons. Ive always loved owning an M badged car and as much as i enjoyed both E92 M3's and would have more, they were never as "special" as my E46 M3 CSL's - each time i sat in the CSL it became an "occasion" regardless of whether i was heading to a track day or Waitrose. I havent owned a C63 AMG (yet) but ive been in numerous and ive driven a friends on track twice - it equally felt "special" and the noise was very reminiscent of the CSL's induction roar. However, on track my aggressive driving style just didnt suit and we had to change the rear tyres before the 3rd session!! That said it was immense fun, easy to showboat in and always made people look and stare. On the other hand my E92 M3's on track allowed me to gain more experience and further my ability and race craft without constantly thinking i was going to blow it up, head backwards into the barriers or have to replace rubber every hour. All that said, if petrol was cheap as chips, i'd probably still grab the Merc keys every time if anything just to make an "occasion" out of an ordinarily dull daily drive. Sorry, not scientific in any way but my own personal subjective opinion.
By the way, did i mention i drive a "dull as dishwater" Land Rover these days?? Oh how i miss those "silly" days!!!
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03-26-2013, 04:12 PM | #18 | |
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I do agree that the ample torque and lower grip limits (along with much more intrusive traction control) make the C63 the safer and/or more usable car for the average Joe, but how many average Joes buy cars like these?
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03-26-2013, 07:29 PM | #21 | |
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Yep, but this proves very little. I went from a 911 Turbo to a Masershiti
It's as much on how breakfast makes me feel on what car I'll buy that day! I'm not specifically saying in this thread that I would have a C63 over an M3 again (that would be foolish, given my various historical comments on this subject!) but I'm merely adding some balance to a thread that starts by showing each car on a track....which highlights the C63 at it's worst and an M3 at it's best! In no way does it reflect the reality of owning them in the real world, for the majority of people. Put them on a drag strip and the tables would be turned, in the real world and it can go either way....with these two cars, you can find a variety of scenario's where one car will appear superior and it's a shame that the C63 tends to get a kicking compared to the M3 because the handling aspect is always over-indexed compared to how important this is in real life, to most people. Pretty much everything I said there still stands, except possibly the dateness of the interior as this really does apply to both cars now (sorry, realise I am saying this on an e92 forum, but that is the case...and is allowed in the off-topic section ). In fact, the C63's facelift does now make it less dated inside but appreciate it's all subjective. I also must have been on crack that day to write 'the Merc blows you away at first but you tire of it sooner' as I think the sheer fact I owned the C63's for significantly longer would say otherwise. There was a major element of the C63 that I personally tired of which led to me saying this (vibrating steering column) but I believe the facelift also fixed this. For the record, which one WOULD I buy again given the choice? Tough....theres a lot that is better dynamically on the M3 (hence it's superiority on that video) but so much of it simply isn't highlighted enough to be enjoyed everyday on the road....conditions just don't allow for it. Also, with the facelift C63 having the new MCT 'box, a much better interior and I believe the steering 'vibrations' cured (not driven one so can't confirm), it would seem the areas of the C63 which annoyed me have been addressed. In truth, I would buy one of them, then wish I'd bought the other, then I'd go and actually buy the other, then wish I'd kept the other As a car with a large 'sense of occasion' for the urban commute, hammering up and down the motorway and doing long 'touring' trips at the weekend (all pretty much reflecting my driving life these days), it has to be the C63. Quote:
What you're possible referring to is steering 'precision' and in this respect, the M3 is better - you can place the car more precisely on the road. It just doesn't feel as good. IMO, in daily driving I probably tend to enjoy the superior 'feel' more often than having that final degree of precision. And yes, even these cars are largely bought by the average Joe...the overwhelmingly majority of the driving populous wouldn't even reach 'average' status IMO because, for example, sat behind the wheel of an M3, they wouldn't have scooby doo that the M3's steering rack even changes in feel! Even most car 'enthusiasts' (the type who probably buy such cars, but still a small percentage of owners when you consider how many of these are on the road) could only be deemed average at best in terms of ability. And in this respect, I'm under no illusion....even though I tend to know what I'm looking for (if only because of the variety of cars I've owned) I'd still class myself in this 'average' group. |
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03-26-2013, 07:57 PM | #22 |
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You have to have both at some stage. Both look good, both feel good, yet slight differences. I probably dont even have the skill to truly highlight the differences on the road. I would just enjoy driving them. c63 however is probably my first choice, for the engine and drivability from lower rpm's but i would be excited to jump into a DCT M3 and always be thinking when that day comes. |
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