[akhter]

Originally Posted by ny911

Had you thought about C63 when you were in Tokyo?

C63 is a big enhancement comparing with W203. It steals lots of M3 die hard fans' heart in HK.

Nope never considered c63. In Tokyo I needed a car that would also work in the track. c63 is much more about straight line speed and is a beast (in a bad way) with traction control off.

In HK cars are much less about track performance, since you will never ever push a car to its handling limits. Its more about sound and looks and prestige and how it makes you feel and c63 could arguably win against the m3 in some of those categories.

on top of that, i don't care for any MB car except the SLR.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by akhter

Nope never considered c63. In Tokyo I needed a card that would also work in the track. c63 is much more about straight line speed and is a beast (in a bad way) with traction control off.

In HK cars are much less about track performance, since you will never ever push a car to its handling limits. Its more about sound and looks and prestige and how it makes you feel and c63 could arguably win against the m3 in some of those categories.

on top of that, i don't care for any MB car except the SLR.

I kinda like MB in it's own way. They are generally not my type of cars, but I do respect their solidity and quality. The S class is still the benchmark for large luxury sedans for the successful doctor, lawyer, banker or CEO. The C63 AMG are usually for people who value comfort but also want more performance out of a regular MB, but not to the point of an all out sports car. In contrast, BMW's M division is tuned for more hardcore sport cars handling and performance yet still retaining that everyday practicality. I prefer the latter, but I can understand those who prefer AMG.

[jacky822]

M3 has better handling feels.. feels tight.. but the s5.. feels like driving a S-class

[335 Freak]

In terms of performance, no doubt M3 ATW.....however, HK is more about image in judging the taste of a person by the car he/she drives...Base on that category, S5 is winning all the way and our Gwailo member (Wolfman) will be having more girls to check out on him in the parking lot with a S5!! Meanwhile, the New V6 Supercharge S5 with the OBD software tuning to unseal the power (not the V8 oil eater) definitely cannot swing away by M3 easily until the car hit high rpm speed of 140-160 benchmark..then the V8 M3 is definitely having the edge for Big V8 NA Engine.....here comes a controversial discussion, how often we drive the car in HK beyond 160??? This is the reason why I chose my current 335 but saving M3 price difference to buy a safe MB fo my wife in allowing me to drive 2 doors coupe.......just my 02 cents, Bro!

[akhter]

Originally Posted by 335 Freak

In terms of performance, no doubt M3 ATW.....however, HK is more about image in judging the taste of a person by the car he/she drives...Base on that category, S5 is winning all the way and our Gwailo member (Wolfman) will be having more girls to check out on him in the parking lot with a S5!! Meanwhile, the New V6 Supercharge S5 with the OBD software tuning to unseal the power (not the V8 oil eater) definitely cannot swing away by M3 easily until the car hit high rpm speed of 140-160 benchmark..then the V8 M3 is definitely having the edge for Big V8 NA Engine.....here comes a controversial discussion, how often we drive the car in HK beyond 160??? This is the reason why I chose my current 335 but saving M3 price difference to buy a safe MB fo my wife in allowing me to drive 2 doors coupe.......just my 02 cents, Bro!

Current M3>S5 in all situation.

Even 335i>S5 in certain situations. See this fifth gear comparisons.

Certainly the price of the S5 and 335 with M-DCT are more or less the same if optioned similarly since S5 as more standard equipment but base 335 is a bit cheaper.

335i DCT 699,000
S5 Coupe 799,000
M3 1,149,000 50% more expensive than 335i! In the US its 25% more.

Until the RS5 comes out, M3 has no competition from Audi.

Now if you compare e46 M3 with s5, then its more interesting...

[ny911]

Originally Posted by akhter

Current M3>S5 in all situation.

Even 335i>S5 in certain situations. See this fifth gear comparisons.

Certainly the price of the S5 and 335 with M-DCT are more or less the same if optioned similarly since S5 as more standard equipment but base 335 is a bit cheaper.

335i MDCT 699,000
S5 Coupe 799,000
M3 1,149,000

Until the RS5 comes out, M3 has no competition from Audi.

Now if you compare e46 M3 with s5, then its more interesting...

Don't forget about 80k extra for M-Drive and EDC.

I don't believe 335i comes with MDCT,it should only be a normal DCT.

[akhter]

Originally Posted by ny911

Don't forget about 80k extra for M-Drive and EDC.

I don't believe 335i comes with MDCT,it should only be a normal DCT.

Check here:

http://bmwhk.com/com/en/newvehicles/prp/index.html

335i Coupe comes with DCT in HK. It was the same in Japan as well.

[ny911]

Originally Posted by akhter

Check here:

http://bmwhk.com/com/en/newvehicles/prp/index.html

335i Coupe comes with DCT in HK. It was the same in Japan as well.

DCT for 335i is different from the M-DCT for M3.

[akhter]

Originally Posted by ny911

DCT for 335i is different from the M-DCT for M3.

oops typo. meant the DCT. corrected.

[ny911]

Originally Posted by akhter

Current M3>S5 in all situation.

Even 335i>S5 in certain situations. See this fifth gear comparisons.

Certainly the price of the S5 and 335 with M-DCT are more or less the same if optioned similarly since S5 as more standard equipment but base 335 is a bit cheaper.

335i DCT 699,000
S5 Coupe 799,000
M3 1,149,000 50% more expensive than 335i! In the US its 25% more.

Until the RS5 comes out, M3 has no competition from Audi.

Now if you compare e46 M3 with s5, then its more interesting...

The 335i E92 LCI has Navi Professional as standard,which is a big plus comparing with S5.

[css]

Originally Posted by ny911

The 335i E92 LCI has Navi Professional as standard,which is a big plus comparing with S5.

B&O > Nav

[akhter]

Originally Posted by oda

B&O > Nav

Disagree...

If you want nav in S4, its 85k (inc. FRT). This is because you need to pay first to upgrade MMI to 3rd gen and then pay for the Nav options.

If you want HiFi professional in 335i its about 24k incl. FRT.

HiFI professional in 335i is about as good as B&O.

So if you want to equip both cars with Nav & top end stereo, S5 will come out more expensive...

[335 Freak]

Originally Posted by akhter

Current M3>S5 in all situation.

Even 335i>S5 in certain situations. See this fifth gear comparisons.

Certainly the price of the S5 and 335 with M-DCT are more or less the same if optioned similarly since S5 as more standard equipment but base 335 is a bit cheaper.

335i DCT 699,000
S5 Coupe 799,000
M3 1,149,000 50% more expensive than 335i! In the US its 25% more.

Until the RS5 comes out, M3 has no competition from Audi.

Now if you compare e46 M3 with s5, then its more interesting...

Hey Bro,

I was comparing a Chipped S5 with an E9X M3 and I did drive a chipped S5 (V6 Supercharge).....it is a beast!! As I mentioned, HK driving is mostly about torque and thus, M3's Torque is merely 40.8kgm with Max HP of 420. For the non-chipped S5, the factory torque is 44.9kgm with Max HP of 333...stage one tuned S5 can easily reached 53-55kgm of torque with the max HP around 400. Bear in mind that, M3's torque release at 3900rpm and whilst, S5 release the max torque at 2500rpm.....Don't get me wrong, I'm just comparing the torque usage in HK's daily drive aspect while the M3 of course is way beyond the S5 except the torque, my friend!!

Look at that perspective alone, I'm suggesting our forum member to save some money for other aspects of usage while buying M3 in HK is like wearing an Armani Tuxedo to attend a Sun Kong Restaurant Wedding Party, I ever said the Armani Tuxedo is not worth it but merely no use to a certain extent!!

[css]

Originally Posted by akhter

Disagree...

If you want nav in S4, its 85k (inc. FRT). This is because you need to pay first to upgrade MMI to 3rd gen and then pay for the Nav options.

If you want HiFi professional in 335i its about 24k incl. FRT.

HiFI professional in 335i is about as good as B&O.

So if you want to equip both cars with Nav & top end stereo, S5 will come out more expensive...

no way HiFI professional in 335i is about as good as B&O, hifi in bmw sucks, its a fact. even the sound system in my 7 series sound shit, the bose in my fairlady sound better than my 7 series and some 335i i've sat in.

[335 Freak]

Originally Posted by oda

no way HiFI professional in 335i is about as good as B&O, hifi in bmw sucks, its a fact. even the sound system in my 7 series sound shit, the bose in my fairlady sound better than my 7 series and some 335i i've sat in.

You are damn right about it........My previous Audi A6's Bose (not even current B&O) Concert system was way better than the so call, sucking logic 7 in my 335!! Bimmer doesn't know how to build sound system whereas, they are fabulous for engine though!

[akhter]

Originally Posted by oda

no way HiFI professional in 335i is about as good as B&O, hifi in bmw sucks, its a fact. even the sound system in my 7 series sound shit, the bose in my fairlady sound better than my 7 series and some 335i i've sat in.

Originally Posted by 335 Freak

You are damn right about it........My previous Audi A6's Bose (not even current B&O) Concert system was way better than the so call, sucking logic 7 in my 335!! Bimmer doesn't know how to build sound system whereas, they are fabulous for engine though!

I am talking about Hifi professional not the standard HiFi or logic 7.

standard Hifi in bmw in all models sucks. No BMW in HK comes with Hifi professional. its not even on the option list. you have to order it as a custom option (which I did for the f10 I have on order).

It is also called individual hifi in 3 series and hifi professional dirac live in 5 series. more info here:
http://www.dirac.se/products(1).asp

I don't know why but the dealer here won't even tell you that option is available. I had to do show him the brochure and demand that he let me order it

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by 335 Freak

Hey Bro,

I was comparing a Chipped S5 with an E9X M3 and I did drive a chipped S5 (V6 Supercharge).....it is a beast!! As I mentioned, HK driving is mostly about torque and thus, M3's Torque is merely 40.8kgm with Max HP of 420. For the non-chipped S5, the factory torque is 44.9kgm with Max HP of 333...stage one tuned S5 can easily reached 53-55kgm of torque with the max HP around 400. Bear in mind that, M3's torque release at 3900rpm and whilst, S5 release the max torque at 2500rpm.....Don't get me wrong, I'm just comparing the torque usage in HK's daily drive aspect while the M3 of course is way beyond the S5 except the torque, my friend!!

Look at that perspective alone, I'm suggesting our forum member to save some money for other aspects of usage while buying M3 in HK is like wearing an Armani Tuxedo to attend a Sun Kong Restaurant Wedding Party, I ever said the Armani Tuxedo is not worth it but merely no use to a certain extent!!

No, not even your chipped S5 can beat a stock E92 M3 in an all-out race, since torque won't win races . But in everyday driving in Hong Kong, I agree, a M3 may be bit of an overkill. Which is why I drive a relatively tame 325i here. Still, I am always tempted when I see an open and twisty road on the weekends and think what I can do with a m3 on that road...

[335 Freak]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

No, not even your chipped S5 can beat a stock E92 M3 in an all-out race, since torque won't win races . But in everyday driving in Hong Kong, I agree, a M3 may be bit of an overkill. Which is why I drive a relatively tame 325i here. Still, I am always tempted when I see an open and twisty road on the weekends and think what I can do with a m3 on that road...

I know what you are talking about, Mr. Gwailo expat......Seriously, there is not much open road in HK can offer yr ideal M3 for some refreshing air breathing! Thus, an overkill M3 is just not a waste while you just cannot press the gas pedal all the way down for more than 30 secs with so many noticeable hidden cameras on those open road you've mentioned!! Even my 335 is a waste when my butterfly shift paddle is seldom used!!

[akhter]

Originally Posted by 335 Freak

I know what you are talking about, Mr. Gwailo expat......Seriously, there is not much open road in HK can offer yr ideal M3 for some refreshing air breathing! Thus, an overkill M3 is just not a waste while you just cannot press the gas pedal all the way down for more than 30 secs with so many noticeable hidden cameras on those open road you've mentioned!! Even my 335 is a waste when my butterfly shift paddle is seldom used!!

wide open throttle for 30 sec? in my 335 that would take it from 0 to 240+km at the Fuji straight...

sigh...

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by 335 Freak

I know what you are talking about, Mr. Gwailo expat......Seriously, there is not much open road in HK can offer yr ideal M3 for some refreshing air breathing! Thus, an overkill M3 is just not a waste while you just cannot press the gas pedal all the way down for more than 30 secs with so many noticeable hidden cameras on those open road you've mentioned!! Even my 335 is a waste when my butterfly shift paddle is seldom used!!

If I stake out a road and drive it long enough I can spot where the police usually are. It's also about what time you intend to drive there. Sunday morning at Luk Keng is a bad time to speed for example, hehehe.

If only Hong Kong has a dedicated track, I can save the time and expense of having to go to the mainland...just imagine driving a M3, blasting down the straight without a care in the world.

[335 Freak]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

If I stake out a road and drive it long enough I can spot where the police usually are. It's also about what time you intend to drive there. Sunday morning at Luk Keng is a bad time to speed for example, hehehe.

If only Hong Kong has a dedicated track, I can save the time and expense of having to go to the mainland...just imagine driving a M3, blasting down the straight without a care in the world.

That's true though......if there is a track for HK local usage, it probably get pretty much booked up by those Ferrari and Porsche clubs fellows...Then, you may have to trade yr M3 for a Porsche GT2 in coping with them on the track!!

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by 335 Freak

That's true though......if there is a track for HK local usage, it probably get pretty much booked up by those Ferrari and Porsche clubs fellows...Then, you may have to trade yr M3 for a Porsche GT2 in coping with them on the track!!

That brit magazine CAR I think did a long and detailed comparison between the M3 GTS and Porsche GT2, and despite the better performance of GT2, actually choose the M3 GTS for it's greater accessiblity while the GT2 will punish those who aren't the top expert drivers.

Personally, while track times is important and fun to lower, above all, driving pleasure is what matter to me. There will always be drivers with cars faster or slower then you. What matters to me is that the car overall is great to drive and is accessible. Some of those supercars are incredibly fast of course with 200mph+ top speed but are those cars also really that fun to drive and sit in? Don't get me wrong, I would'nt mind having one if I has the $$$, but the bulk of my time is spent on driving in real world of public roads, and that level of daily accessbility is important. And so far the M3 (or maybe the S5 for HK) fits the bill for me nicely. That is, until the RS5 comes out, I would love to have a chance to test drive that.