LEVL 10 Tranny?

07tundra · 02-17-2014, 03:51 PM

So what are the options if any for an AT to be able handle pretty good power that the singles Turbo kits are putting down?

What is Terry doing about his tranny in the 135?

135Pats · 02-17-2014, 04:25 PM

There are none. Once you venture much clear of 500WTQ or so, you are pushing things. Especially with how the single’s curve just doesn’t let up at redline.

Terry is considering a LVL10 build I believe. I doubt it will work, but wish him the best of course. Would be great if there were a viable option. But just IMO, until someone gets into the TCU and can get the mechatronics to play nice, it’s irrelevant.

Mit_Boost · 02-17-2014, 04:28 PM

No proven upgrade for the 6AT

pits200 · 02-17-2014, 04:28 PM

Of all of the car forums I've been a part of over the years, I don't think I've ever seen Level 10 solve a transmission issues. Not sure how they're still in business.

Mit_Boost · 02-17-2014, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pits200

Of all of the car forums I've been a part of over the years, I don't think I've ever seen Level 10 solve a transmission issues. Not sure how they're still in business.

Because the specialize in other trans rebuild/upgrades... The physical components are probably fine, the TCM reprogramming is the problem (same as the DCT) to properly utilize the upgrade.

07tundra · 02-17-2014, 04:38 PM

So Swapping in a MT would be the best bet then?

07tundra · 02-17-2014, 04:42 PM

So maybe I should sell my 335 and get another with MT.......So is it the HP or the torq messing up the tranny?

CT335xi · 02-17-2014, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 07tundra

So maybe I should sell my 335 and get another with MT.......So is it the HP or the torq messing up the tranny?

the torque

07tundra · 02-17-2014, 05:13 PM

Well I was at 526 and doing fine so if there's a way to keep around those numbers with the tune but then again my 335 wasn't a DD. This is kinda horseshit lol how long have the 07 08 n54's been out now and no one has some sort of upgrade?

cialz · 02-17-2014, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 07tundra

Well I was at 526 and doing fine so if there's a way to keep around those numbers with the tune but then again my 335 wasn't a DD. This is kinda horseshit lol how long have the 07 08 n54's been out now and no one has some sort of upgrade?

probably because very few people put out anything close to those numbers and then care to "upgrade?"

MidwestGolfBum · 02-17-2014, 05:29 PM

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probably because very few people put out anything close to those numbers and then care to "upgrade?"

This, plus it's not as easy as just slapping a few new parts in it as others have explained. There needs to be some TCU work, which is apparently not an easy thing to crack into.

02-17-2014, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 07tundra

This is kinda horseshit lol how long have the 07 08 n54's been out now and no one has some sort of upgrade?

Word. Hopefully a shop out there will still find value in coming up with a solution on an old/dead platform

07tundra · 02-17-2014, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MidwestGolfBum

This, plus it's not as easy as just slapping a few new parts in it as others have explained. There needs to be some TCU work, which is apparently not an easy thing to crack into.

makes sense

Ingeniator · 02-17-2014, 05:50 PM

Has anyone looked into installing a manual valve body?

enrita · 02-17-2014, 06:05 PM

mine works fine...

135Pats · 02-17-2014, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 07tundra

So maybe I should sell my 335 and get another with MT.......So is it the HP or the torq messing up the tranny?

Torque. Too much heat up top with a single turbo. It's just a matter of when.

You should try out a dedicated tranny cooler first. It won't be very expensive relatively speaking, who knows maybe it let's you hold more like 550WTQ. It's not like the stock box with alpina flash is way off, it's pretty strong.

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mine works fine...

You did a full rebuild yea? Not just tq converter? That's awesome it's holding, others have not had such luck.

enrita · 02-17-2014, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 135Pats

Torque. Too much heat up top with a single turbo. It's just a matter of when.

You should try out a dedicated tranny cooler first. It won't be very expensive relatively speaking, who knows maybe it let's you hold more like 550WTQ. It's not like the stock box with alpina flash is way off, it's pretty strong.

You did a full rebuild yea? Not just tq converter? That's awesome it's holding, others have not had such luck.

full rebuild and there are maybe 2-3 people with it.... mine is holding fine. that was low power anyway....
nobody has fucked a level10 tranny yet so don't get why all that hate....

135Pats · 02-17-2014, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by enrita

full rebuild and there are maybe 2-3 people with it.... mine is holding fine. that was low power anyway....
nobody has fucked a level10 tranny yet so don't get why all that hate....

Didn't Lostmarine smoke his?

I don't hate on them at all, it just seems that for single turbo applications where there is so much heat up top, w/out access to the TCU the hardware is irrelevant. That's nothing against LVL10.

themyst · 02-17-2014, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 135Pats

Didn't Lostmarine smoke his?

I don't hate on them at all, it just seems that for single turbo applications where there is so much heat up top, w/out access to the TCU the hardware is irrelevant. That's nothing against LVL10.

He didn't "smoke" his. He sold his car because of unresolvable misfire issues. (which today, would likely be fixed). Sometimes it sucks being an early adopter.

and FWIW, I've put 100+ 60-130 type pulls on my bone stock 6AT tranny with RB turbos, and I have no issues to this day. Car runs like a champ still.

TT-Tom · 02-17-2014, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 135Pats

Didn't Lostmarine smoke his?

I don't hate on them at all, it just seems that for single turbo applications where there is so much heat up top, w/out access to the TCU the hardware is irrelevant. That's nothing against LVL10.

never smoked it just sold it before he could test properly and report back.

135Pats · 02-17-2014, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by themyst

He didn't "smoke" his. He sold his car because of unresolvable misfire issues. (which today, would likely be fixed). Sometimes it sucks being an early adopter.

and FWIW, I've put 100+ 60-130 type pulls on my bone stock 6AT tranny with RB turbos, and I have no issues to this day. Car runs like a champ still.

Gotcha. Yea the stock ZF box is a good one, for sure. But for anyone looking to really push things, it won't hold.

jlcf22 · 02-17-2014, 08:19 PM

I think AK335I is putting down 642whp and 550tq and tranny is holding up good any more power after that the tranny would slip, I think he might be going with a 4 speed GM tranny not sure

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jlcf22 Lieutenant 100 Rep 502 Posts Drives: 335i09 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: bakersfield CA iTrader: (0)	I think AK335I is putting down 642whp and 550tq and tranny is holding up good any more power after that the tranny would slip, I think he might be going with a 4 speed GM tranny not sure
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