Has anyone contacted BMW regarding 29.2 and lag?

i2iSTUDIOS · 07-25-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by slubu

So people really mash the pedal and have a 1 or more second delay before response? I thought it was the 0.5-1sec delay...maybe it's just because I came from my 330i that is the NA variant.

NA cars have no lag, you can't.

I've been trying to figure out why are on on this thread because you don't have a turbo'd car. Only forced induction cars have turbo lag.

ezatnova · 07-25-2008, 12:43 PM

Tyler, if they ARE updating your Progman, they would likely need it overnight, which I would assume they would have warned you about...you know, so you could go home from work

There is a CHANCE though that since you brought it in so early that it could be done today. But, in general, it takes 5-8 hours to flash.

Also, when you mentioned wanting 30.22 if they could, did they act like you had 4 heads, or did they seem to admit to having and knowing about 30.22?

ezatnova · 07-25-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by i2iSTUDIOS

NA cars have no lag, you can't.

I've been trying to figure out why are on on this thread because you don't have a turbo'd car. Only forced induction cars have turbo lag.

He does. The profile thing is not accurate.

ezatnova · 07-25-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler9595

Yes, > 1sec in the low rpm range (i.e. 1.5k-3.5k). Above 4k rpm, the lag is quite a bit less noticeable. But, the driving experience is not nearly as good when you drive the car over 4k all the time. Plus, the gas mileage sucks and temps run quite a bit warmer, in my opinion

+1 all around (except my temps are the same from what I noticed). Driver 'er like a ricer and it's all good (well, except for averaging 19 mpg)!!

And Slubu, yeah, 0.5 seconds is about what we used to have. Pretty much mash-go. Now it's Mash - - - - go.

slubu · 07-25-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ezatnova

He does. The profile thing is not accurate.

updated, sorry about that.

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Originally Posted by ezatnova

+1 all around (except my temps are the same from what I noticed). Driver 'er like a ricer and it's all good (well, except for averaging 19 mpg)!!

And Slubu, yeah, 0.5 seconds is about what we used to have. Pretty much mash-go. Now it's Mash - - - - go.

Crap man, I thought the 0.5 was slightly annoying, but definitely liveable. But mash.....go is bad. Feel bad for you guys. Although I guess I can say the MSD81's don't necessarily come with the lag then. My I-drive screen is brown.

tyler9595 · 07-25-2008, 12:51 PM

Got my car back from service...still laggy as ever. I'll drive it harder on the way home from work tonight and will let you all know if there is any noticeable difference after an extended drive.

The SA said their current progman is 30.2 and my car was not updated b/c, per their diagnostics there are no changes in 30.2 that were not also included in 29.2. I'm not 100% sure what this means...can anyone here explain?

FWIW, he said that they have been resetting adaptations on 29.2 cars because some customers had also complained of rough idle on startup. He was hopefull it would help my lag issue, also. (It didnt, from what I can tell so far).

I asked the SA to have the service manager call me this afternoon so can talk to him about this. I plan to emphasize my dissatisfaction with their ability to fix this problem

. Specifically, I'm going to say that I cant believe BMW has de-tuned the performace of my car after I purchased it, and I think that is crappy and borders on false advertising. I refuse to be a total dick to anyone at my dealership about this. But, hopefully the service manager has some authority to take appropriate action.

i2iSTUDIOS · 07-25-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ezatnova

He does. The profile thing is not accurate.

i2iSTUDIOS · 07-25-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by slubu

updated, sorry about that.

Crap man, I thought the 0.5 was slightly annoying, but definitely liveable. But mash.....go is bad. Feel bad for you guys. Although I guess I can say the MSD81's don't necessarily come with the lag then. My I-drive screen is brown.

your signature still shows

2006 330i 6sp, SGM, Terra Leather, Alum Trim, PDC, SP, PP, Idrive, Comfort Access, ED on 12/15, Completed on 12/19, Jetlagged on 12/20 at the office, and now just enjoying my baby...

ezatnova · 07-25-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler9595

Got my car back from service...still laggy as ever. I'll drive it harder on the way home from work tonight and will let you all know if there is any noticeable difference after an extended drive.

The SA said their current progman is 30.2 and my car was not updated b/c, per their diagnostics there are no changes in 30.2 that were not also included in 29.2. I'm not 100% sure what this means...can anyone here explain?

FWIW, he said that they have been resetting adaptations on 29.2 cars because some customers had also complained of rough idle on startup. He was hopefull it would help my lag issue, also. (It didnt, from what I can tell so far).

I asked the SA to have the service manager call me this afternoon so can talk to him about this. I plan to emphasize my dissatisfaction with their ability to fix this problem

. Specifically, I'm going to say that I cant believe BMW has de-tuned the performace of my car after I purchased it, and I think that is crappy and borders on false advertising. I refuse to be a total dick to anyone at my dealership about this. But, hopefully the service manager has some authority to take appropriate action.

Argh! Well, no shocker there I suppose. We knew they woudln't fix it by wiping the learning. Perhaps you can demand 30.22 since they didn't help you at all. Then that at least helps figure out one other thing (if 30.22 does jack to help).

slubu · 07-25-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by i2iSTUDIOS

your signature still shows

2006 330i 6sp, SGM, Terra Leather, Alum Trim, PDC, SP, PP, Idrive, Comfort Access, ED on 12/15, Completed on 12/19, Jetlagged on 12/20 at the office, and now just enjoying my baby...

Sorry, I have sigs turned off for work.

i2iSTUDIOS · 07-25-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by slubu

Sorry, I have sigs turned off for work.

Hey there it is!

Ok, yes 0.5 sec is normal, what I was feeling before was nearly a 2 second delay. The dealer fixed mine so I'm back to 0.5 to 0.7 seconds.

meyergru · 07-25-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler9595

The SA said their current progman is 30.2 and my car was not updated b/c, per their diagnostics there are no changes in 30.2 that were not also included in 29.2. I'm not 100% sure what this means...can anyone here explain?

That's what my foreman told me. No version is out yet that is said to fix the issues. So, an update is useless.
The Progman packages include firmwares for up to 70 different units. He told me that there was no DME version change in the current Progman version. That means, v29.2 differs in other aspects from v30.x than DME firmware, maybe navigation software or "something completely different"(TM).

There is one german MY07 335i owner who brought his car into the shop today and gets a DME update to the most current version (he reported motor problems). I have asked him to request what exact version he will get and check for turbo lag (I'm almost sure it will be present after the upgrade).

I am still waiting for an upgrade fix that fixes the 6FL and the DME problems. Oh, BTW, my 6FL is working again after a hardware exchange. Seems it was killed in the process of downgrading it to v27.02.02, which makes me begin to understand why a downgrade looks like a bad option as a makeshift intermediate fix for you v29.2 guys.

tyler9595 · 07-25-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by meyergru

That's what my foreman told me. No version is out yet that is said to fix the issues. So, an update is useless.
The Progman packages include firmwares for up to 70 different units. He told me that there was no DME version change in the current Progman version. That means, v29.2 differs in other aspects from v30.x than DME firmware, maybe navigation software or "something completely different"(TM).

That makes sense. Thanks for the info.

BzzzBom · 07-25-2008, 03:19 PM

Due to problems with the new software, my delaer is not updating software until the issues get resolved. The only reason that I bought a 335i coupe was the for the smoothness and fuel economy of an inline six with the power and feel of a big V-8 and most importantly NO TUROB LAG AS ADVERTISED. I have owned BMWs for 30 years but I will never buy another one if they don't address this shit ASAP.

tyler9595 · 07-25-2008, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BzzzBom

Due to problems with the new software, my delaer is not updating software until the issues get resolved. The only reason that I bought a 335i coupe was the for the smoothness and fuel economy of an inline six with the power and feel of a big V-8 and most importantly NO TUROB LAG AS ADVERTISED. I have owned BMWs for 30 years but I will never buy another one if they don't address this shit ASAP.

amen bro - my car has been like this for more than 2 months now. my dealership is still treating this as if it is no big deal...I'm glad my lease is up soon. I'd be REALLY pissed if I had another couple of years left...

I drove my car pretty hard tonight home from work...too much traffic for me to really get on it much...but still seems to have looooong lag. I'll try again tomorrow morning.

Quisp · 07-25-2008, 08:40 PM

Well, I took my car in for some issues including hesitation and idle problems and also to get Dinan stage2. After they had the car 2 days i talked to the service manager and they took care of the idle, hesitation with an update. Then he asks me if i was aware that if I got Dinan my warranty would be immediateley voided. Imagine my surprise. He said something about a bulletin they got saying BMW will no longer honor the warranty if any engine upgradees are done. Of course i argued because now i had a new and probably as bad, version of progman and was hoping that would overrride it but it doesnt look like i will be getting it until I talk to BMW. Already talked to Dinan and they said it was not true and he misread something. That leaves me with the latest progman to test out on my ride home tomorrow. I am picking it up around noon and will find out what version they installed and since they are aboout 35 miles away, I will be able to get an idea of how it runs. Will let you know whenI get home tomorrow.

iScream · 07-25-2008, 11:47 PM

What if we all got together with our real names and submitted one big complaint to whichever SA that seems to be the coolest? You would think that a rep that opens a PUMA case that is for 20 simultaneous complaints might get some attention from BMW.

Quisp · 07-26-2008, 01:21 AM

Can they open a case without actually checking the car and driving it?

iScream · 07-26-2008, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Quisp

Can they open a case without actually checking the car and driving it?

They'd check the first car, and any others that are nearby, and the rest of us would just go into the notes. It'd be highly unusual, which is why I said we'd need a very understanding SA.

Twenty 335i's in one case would represent $1M in revenue. Hopefully they'd take note then.

meyergru · 07-26-2008, 01:04 PM

Just a little piece of information for those who have considered doing a Noelle tune in order to fix their v29.2-imposed problems because it is based on a pre-29.2 version:

It seems like BMW diagnosis software has been updated. Noelle, who stated that his tune would not be overwritten by BMW, now tells otherwise.

This means that Noelle-tuned cars will no longer be not exempt from future DME updates. I'd guess this applies to Dinan tunes as well.

Herms · 07-26-2008, 05:30 PM

Just got the car back with the new update and I don't feel a difference. In fact, the car felt amazing on the way back from the dealer.

tyler9595 · 07-26-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Herms

Just got the car back with the new update and I don't feel a difference. In fact, the car felt amazing on the way back from the dealer.

I'm curious what versions did your car have before and after the update?

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ezatnova Colonel 97 Rep 2,188 Posts Drives: C63 AMG Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: West Chester, PA iTrader: (5)	Tyler, if they ARE updating your Progman, they would likely need it overnight, which I would assume they would have warned you about...you know, so you could go home from work There is a CHANCE though that since you brought it in so early that it could be done today. But, in general, it takes 5-8 hours to flash. Also, when you mentioned wanting 30.22 if they could, did they act like you had 4 heads, or did they seem to admit to having and knowing about 30.22?
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tyler9595 Captain 47 Rep 723 Posts Drives: Boring Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN iTrader: (1)	Got my car back from service...still laggy as ever. I'll drive it harder on the way home from work tonight and will let you all know if there is any noticeable difference after an extended drive. The SA said their current progman is 30.2 and my car was not updated b/c, per their diagnostics there are no changes in 30.2 that were not also included in 29.2. I'm not 100% sure what this means...can anyone here explain? FWIW, he said that they have been resetting adaptations on 29.2 cars because some customers had also complained of rough idle on startup. He was hopefull it would help my lag issue, also. (It didnt, from what I can tell so far). I asked the SA to have the service manager call me this afternoon so can talk to him about this. I plan to emphasize my dissatisfaction with their ability to fix this problem . Specifically, I'm going to say that I cant believe BMW has de-tuned the performace of my car after I purchased it, and I think that is crappy and borders on false advertising. I refuse to be a total dick to anyone at my dealership about this. But, hopefully the service manager has some authority to take appropriate action.
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BzzzBom Major 93 Rep 1,216 Posts Drives: 05 R53 MINI / 09 335i Coupe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	Due to problems with the new software, my delaer is not updating software until the issues get resolved. The only reason that I bought a 335i coupe was the for the smoothness and fuel economy of an inline six with the power and feel of a big V-8 and most importantly NO TUROB LAG AS ADVERTISED. I have owned BMWs for 30 years but I will never buy another one if they don't address this shit ASAP.
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Quisp Does not play well with others 80 Rep 1,787 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arizona iTrader: (4)	Well, I took my car in for some issues including hesitation and idle problems and also to get Dinan stage2. After they had the car 2 days i talked to the service manager and they took care of the idle, hesitation with an update. Then he asks me if i was aware that if I got Dinan my warranty would be immediateley voided. Imagine my surprise. He said something about a bulletin they got saying BMW will no longer honor the warranty if any engine upgradees are done. Of course i argued because now i had a new and probably as bad, version of progman and was hoping that would overrride it but it doesnt look like i will be getting it until I talk to BMW. Already talked to Dinan and they said it was not true and he misread something. That leaves me with the latest progman to test out on my ride home tomorrow. I am picking it up around noon and will find out what version they installed and since they are aboout 35 miles away, I will be able to get an idea of how it runs. Will let you know whenI get home tomorrow.
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iScream solid @ 153, no, 155mph! 16 Rep 335 Posts Drives: '07/'09/'13 335, '16 340ix Join Date: May 2008 Location: Washington, DC iTrader: (0)	What if we all got together with our real names and submitted one big complaint to whichever SA that seems to be the coolest? You would think that a rep that opens a PUMA case that is for 20 simultaneous complaints might get some attention from BMW.
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Quisp Does not play well with others 80 Rep 1,787 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arizona iTrader: (4)	Can they open a case without actually checking the car and driving it?
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meyergru No military grade 58 Rep 619 Posts Drives: E92 M3 DCT Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Munich, Germany iTrader: (0)	BMW updates Noelle now... no cure for our problem any more! Just a little piece of information for those who have considered doing a Noelle tune in order to fix their v29.2-imposed problems because it is based on a pre-29.2 version: It seems like BMW diagnosis software has been updated. Noelle, who stated that his tune would not be overwritten by BMW, now tells otherwise. This means that Noelle-tuned cars will no longer be not exempt from future DME updates. I'd guess this applies to Dinan tunes as well.
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Herms First Lieutenant 27 Rep 395 Posts Drives: '15 M235i Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: LA. CA iTrader: (0)	Progman update Just got the car back with the new update and I don't feel a difference. In fact, the car felt amazing on the way back from the dealer.
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