[luv135i]

Originally Posted by elcheapoloco

Holy fvck you killed someone...

This. You might want to consider retaining counsel and not posting anything on any forums. Whenever deaths are invovled in auto accidents strage things happen even if it clearly appears you are at no fault.

[Dark_Knight_335]

Oh dear...

[Blubaron79]

I hope it was her fault or you might go to prison.

[MCoupeInsanity]

Originally Posted by elcheapoloco

Holy fvck you killed someone...

You don't know that, and it's a dumb thing to post.

[MCoupeInsanity]

Originally Posted by Blubaron79

I hope it was her fault or you might go to prison.

Oh, it's automatic prison for the at-fault driver in a car accident if someone dies from it? That's news to me...

[E9TOU]

Sorry to hear about the lady and your car. Hopefully there were witnesses and the police took their statements.

[luv135i]

Originally Posted by MCoupeInsanity

Oh, it's automatic prison for the at-fault driver in a car accident if someone dies from it? That's news to me...

Surely your kidding i hope. OP said she died.

[deadmn1337]

There were several witnesses that spoke with the police. From my perspective and the witnesses i spoke with after the incident, it would seem to be her fault as she failed to yield. From what i have read it is on the deceased next of kin to decide whether to press charges or not if it is my fault. that's all i can say and know right now, still waiting on the investigation.

[Dylan.r]

I understand that anger is the first feeling one gets post-accident, but am I the only one who finds it a little harsh that OP called the woman "an oblivious old lady" when she was the one who lost her life (regardless of whose fault it was)?

[SharkBait]

Originally Posted by Dylan.r

I understand that anger is the first feeling one gets post-accident, but am I the only one who finds it a little harsh that OP called the woman "an oblivious old lady" when she was the one who lost her life (regardless of whose fault it was)?

I don't think the poor old lady had passed away when he posted that. Also, it seems like he was actually being factual as opposed to being harsh. It could very well be that the driving behavior of the old lady made it appear that she was oblivious to the impending incident.

[Titanium3er]

Depending on where you impacted her car, they will have a hard time proving it was your fault unless the vehicles data recorder shows you were driving considerably above the speed limit.

[Titanium3er]

Originally Posted by Blubaron79

I hope it was her fault or you might go to prison.

That's quite an assumption based on the facts presented in this thread.

[menewtobmw]

FYI for anyone else. I sent a PM to the poster of this thread and strongly suggested he pull this down ASAP. Even though it might not have been his fault, you never know, the lady's family could come after him for monetary damages in civil court. A quick search by the other attorney would show posts by thread creator about getting out of multiple speeding tickets, modding the car, etc. NOT A GOOD THING.

[Dark_Knight_335]

This thread absolutely needs to be expunged from the servers. This can definitely bury the OP. Mods, please do this guy a favor and nuke this thread.

[SharkBait]

Originally Posted by nickvacc

Depending on where you impacted her car, they will have a hard time proving it was your fault unless the vehicles data recorder shows you were driving considerably above the speed limit.

I'm sorry. What vehicle data recorder?

[Clammy]

Originally Posted by Dylan.r

I understand that anger is the first feeling one gets post-accident, but am I the only one who finds it a little harsh that OP called the woman "an oblivious old lady" when she was the one who lost her life (regardless of whose fault it was)?

Assuming the facts are that she turned illegally in front of the OP, thus causing the accident:

That's irrelevant. She died as a result of her own actions. As a motorcyclist who has lost too many friends to, and who has almost been taken out numerous times by, oblivious car drivers failing to yield, I have zero sympathy for this woman. Frankly, it's better that SHE died as a result of her negligence than an innocent victim, such as the OP or a bystander. This was a completely avoidable accident.

Call me cold-hearted if you want, but that's how I feel.

If the facts are something else, I will revise my opinion.

[Titanium3er]

Originally Posted by SharkBait

I'm sorry. What vehicle data recorder?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/04/19/hate-to-break-it-to-you-but-your-car-likely-has-a-black-box-spying-on-you-already/

I'm not sure if they were equipped with one in 2007, but it appears the newer 3ers are. As a former adjuster I can tell you that if the plaintiffs lawyer is competent, they will determine if there is an edr and have it admitted as evidence if favorable to their case.

[menewtobmw]

Originally Posted by Clammy

Assuming the facts are that she turned illegally in front of the OP, thus causing the accident:

That's irrelevant. She died as a result of her own actions. As a motorcyclist who has lost too many friends to, and who has almost been taken out numerous times by, oblivious car drivers failing to yield, I have zero sympathy for this woman. Frankly, it's better that SHE died as a result of her negligence than an innocent victim, such as the OP or a bystander. This was a completely avoidable accident.

Call me cold-hearted if you want, but that's how I feel.

If the facts are something else, I will revise my opinion.

What if he was speeding? That may not change true fault of accident, but could create civil liability with surviving family.

[Clammy]

Originally Posted by menewtobmw

What if he was speeding? That may not change true fault of accident, but could create civil liability with surviving family.

As I said: if the facts are as the OP stated. If they're different, then my opinion will be revised. However, even if he was speeding, the lady should not have turned in front of him. Regardless, she failed to yield, and is at fault. Of course things can always go sideways if it goes to court, but I'm not talking about that.

[SharkBait]

Originally Posted by nickvacc

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/04/19/hate-to-break-it-to-you-but-your-car-likely-has-a-black-box-spying-on-you-already/

I'm not sure if they were equipped with one in 2007, but it appears the newer 3ers are. As a former adjuster I can tell you that if the plaintiffs lawyer is competent, they will determine if there is an edr and have it admitted as evidence if favorable to their case.

Not to thread jack, but I've never heard of this. Not thrilled about the concept to be honest. Where do I find more information about it? Can it be accessed through BMW standard tools to either read, write, etc.?

[fventura03]

best of luck, not a good situation to be in.

[Rupes]

Originally Posted by Clammy

Assuming the facts are that she turned illegally in front of the OP, thus causing the accident:

That's irrelevant. She died as a result of her own actions. As a motorcyclist who has lost too many friends to, and who has almost been taken out numerous times by, oblivious car drivers failing to yield, I have zero sympathy for this woman. Frankly, it's better that SHE died as a result of her negligence than an innocent victim, such as the OP or a bystander. This was a completely avoidable accident.

Call me cold-hearted if you want, but that's how I feel.

If the facts are something else, I will revise my opinion.

Your cold hearted. They're called "accidents" for a reason. No one should need to die for a mistake. You make it sound like that's the only way to punish someone for making a driving error.

As I said before. This person was someone's mom, grandmother, friend, etc. and a loss of life should always be considered tragic, not justified.