JB4 2/7 Firmware Meth Dyno Testing!

themyst · 02-09-2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jetblack07

If you are on the fence with meth...pull the freaking trigger! You will not look back. I've fallen in love with my car all over again. Made 414rw on a 40 additive with a 293rw baseline with jb4, dp's, dci and meth. Care pulls like a freight train!

sounds spot on. I made 413whp on 17.5 psi with a 295 baseline on my 135i manual two years ago, 424whp on 18.5 psi peak. How's that meth elbow treatin you?

jetblack07 · 02-09-2012, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by themyst

sounds spot on. I made 413whp on 17.5 psi with a 295 baseline on my 135i manual two years ago, 424whp on 18.5 psi peak. How's that meth elbow treatin you?

Lol..Haven't even installed it yet. I've got a few things stock piled. Just waiting for a warm day to tackle some car projects.

Thanks again though for a sweet deal.

TheStig · 02-09-2012, 10:14 PM

Thats Crazy!

SIKH335 · 02-10-2012, 02:07 AM

Interesting very similar peak boost and taper boost that I ran with the Procede aggresive maps back in October 2011 on the dyno that was posted. HP curve and torque curve look very similar also. Peak HP and Tq numbers were about the same as these also I guess Terry has caught on, dont need crazy boost to make good power and crazy torque on stock turbos. Good numbers!!!

hotrod182 · 02-10-2012, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SIKH335

Interesting very similar peak boost and taper boost that I ran with the Procede aggresive maps back in October 2011 on the dyno that was posted. HP curve and torque curve look very similar also. Peak HP and Tq numbers were about the same as these also I guess Terry has caught on, dont need crazy boost to make good power and crazy torque on stock turbos. Good numbers!!!

Then it should be a good run between his 135i and your car at the airstrip! Although at those higher speeds, I hear the 135i has an aerodynamic disadvantage.

SIKH335 · 02-10-2012, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by hotrod182

Then it should be a good run between his 135i and your car at the airstrip! Although at those higher speeds, I hear the 135i has an aerodynamic disadvantage.

Still trying to see what my car can do and compare me in some crazy way, would have been nice to compare this car with you dyno? I'm sure the 135 weighs less, wouldn't that be more of an advantage. Either way I think all those there will be matching up realistically all the 135's going and the 335's are between 410whp and 445whp. I'm not sure if there are any upgraded twin turbos going. At that close of a swing in power every little detail can change a race (ie: mishifts, bad shifts, late start etc). But we are all gonna have a blast especially sating the big single turbo run.

JTO24 · 02-10-2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rotary Rasp

When will this firmware be public?

+1

vereak82 · 02-10-2012, 10:18 AM

oh nice! im excited

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 02-10-2012, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SIKH335

Still trying to see what my car can do and compare me in some crazy way, would have been nice to compare this car with you dyno? I'm sure the 135 weighs less, wouldn't that be more of an advantage. Either way I think all those there will be matching up realistically all the 135's going and the 335's are between 410whp and 445whp. I'm not sure if there are any upgraded twin turbos going. At that close of a swing in power every little detail can change a race (ie: mishifts, bad shifts, late start etc). But we are all gonna have a blast especially sating the big single turbo run.

Looking forward to hearing about all those runs. Are any Cobb FBO cars going? That would really interesting to see how they stack up against the piggybacks too. I agree that any stock turbo car with meth and proper tuning should be very similar to any other similar car. The 135i is lighter but also has more drag and a small single exhaust so I bet it cancels out mostly.

Mike

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 02-10-2012, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BobS

Wow, makes me want to get Meth :-)

You and a lot of people..

The N54 and N55 WW Meth Kits have been flying off the shelves.

Mike

SIKH335 · 02-10-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

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Originally Posted by SIKH335

Still trying to see what my car can do and compare me in some crazy way, would have been nice to compare this car with you dyno? I'm sure the 135 weighs less, wouldn't that be more of an advantage. Either way I think all those there will be matching up realistically all the 135's going and the 335's are between 410whp and 445whp. I'm not sure if there are any upgraded twin turbos going. At that close of a swing in power every little detail can change a race (ie: mishifts, bad shifts, late start etc). But we are all gonna have a blast especially sating the big single turbo run.

Looking forward to hearing about all those runs. Are any Cobb FBO cars going? That would really interesting to see how they stack up against the piggybacks too. I agree that any stock turbo car with meth and proper tuning should be very similar to any other similar car. The 135i is lighter but also has more drag and a small single exhaust so I bet it cancels out mostly.

Mike

I think they have one Cobb car coming out!

marv85 · 02-10-2012, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SIKH335

I think they have one Cobb car coming out!

do you know who's car is it?

tofu- · 02-10-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by themyst

Where's the baseline?

i don't think they're claiming big numbers on the update. i asked terry about this on his forum and he said the new firmware just improves consistency and safety for meth users. curve and peak numbers are said to be the same as the current public firmware

vereak82 · 02-10-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

You and a lot of people..

The N54 and N55 WW Meth Kits have been flying off the shelves.

Mike

yes!! best mod to date Thanks again mike! anyword on the release date for this firmware?

themyst · 02-10-2012, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tofu-

i don't think they're claiming big numbers on the update. i asked terry about this on his forum and he said the new firmware just improves consistency and safety for meth users. curve and peak numbers are said to be the same as the current public firmware

I know, but when you post big numbers you want to see or know the baseline to make sense of it. 446 whp on a 280 baseline is far more impressive than on a 310 baseline. These stock turbo cars are pretty much maxed out on power in the 420-440 whp range depending on how generous the dyno wants to be. No magic to be found short of nitrous or a turbo upgrade.

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 02-10-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by themyst

I know, but when you post big numbers you want to see or know the baseline to make sense of it. 446 whp on a 280 baseline is far more impressive than on a 310 baseline. These stock turbo cars are pretty much maxed out on power in the 420-440 whp range depending on how generous the dyno wants to be. No magic to be found short of nitrous or a turbo upgrade.

I think we can confidently say that stock dyno on a 90% of dynojets will be 270-290? I have seen a few lower and maybe one or two higher, but the majority is in the 270-290 range.

Mike

themyst · 02-10-2012, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

I think we can confidently say that stock dyno on a 90% of dynojets will be 270-290? I have seen a few lower and maybe one or two higher, but the majority is in the 270-290 range.

Mike

Bone stock 260-280. FBO stock map SHOULD be around 280-310.

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 02-10-2012, 05:43 PM

I've seen as low as 24X on stock vehicles and as high as 310-315 on FBO no tune dynos.

themyst · 02-10-2012, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

I've seen as low as 24X on stock vehicles and as high as 310-315 on FBO no tune dynos.

24x on a dynojet with proper correction? Wow that's a heartbreaker!

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 02-10-2012, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by themyst

24x on a dynojet with proper correction? Wow that's a heartbreaker!

No, sorry, it was not a dynojet. Mustang I believe. Sorry if that wasn't relevant I was just throwing that out there to the point that a baseline is very important especially because of how different dynos read and conditions change.

themyst · 02-10-2012, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

No, sorry, it was not a dynojet. Mustang I believe. Sorry if that wasn't relevant I was just throwing that out there to the point that a baseline is very important especially because of how different dynos read and conditions change.

Well yes the delta is most important not the peak numbers. But we were discussing dynojet variances.

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 02-10-2012, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by themyst

Well yes the delta is most important not the peak numbers. But we were discussing dynojet variances.

My bad.

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