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10-18-2009, 07:32 AM | #1 |
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Idea for a Sticky!!
Perhaps we should have a "make the case for your tune in one post" sticky where Vishnu, BMS, Dinan, and who ever else can write a 100 word post on why that particular tune, and can post up to 3 dynos for that particular tune, one on 91/93 octane vs. stock would be required.
This will get rid of the weekly "Who's best" post, keep the discussion clear and relatively concise, and give easier access to Dynos for comparison. There could even be a disclosure at the top... "This dyno shows lower number that that dyno. It's the delta, not the number." type stuff. Just a thought. |
10-18-2009, 08:13 AM | #3 |
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Don't know how popular this will be, but if they do it, I think the rule should be that each can talk about their tune only and not mention other tunes (even indirectly) at all. Also, I think you're missing one of the most important qualities - smoothness & overall driveablility. A dyno number is just one part of the story and really doesn't say much about which tune is best. I'd much prefer a 70hp tune that is extra smooth to a 120hp tune that is rough and peaky...
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10-18-2009, 08:19 AM | #4 |
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Jb3 is inexpensive raw power. PROcede is more expensive but better controlled albeit a little less power. Done.
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10-18-2009, 12:12 PM | #6 |
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I appreciate brevity, but I think the topic is a little more involved than that. Or maybe not!?! Besides, those are just two of the dozen popular options.
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- jb3 is faster and cheaper no question. And is easier and cheaper to update. - procede has more features including safety, can-bus integration and clears codes on its own. Its more expensive to buy and to update. They are both really similar. One has more features and one has a better price. The only question is, is the features that the procede has worth the extra cost? For me, no, it wasnt. jb3 with a bt tool is cheaper, easy to remove, and gives big gains. Thats what I wanted. Nothing the procede has was worth the extra money. I would never notice the 200+ parameters that the procede monitors and in a few years when I sell the car, I doubt there will be any negative effects by not having them. I do notice the extra money I saved thats going toward coilovers though. If the procede was the exact same price as the jb3, well thats something I would have had to strongly consider.
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And without access to these CANbus parameters, proper custom tuning would not be possible either right now. And a properly custom tuned PROcede will, without a doubt, make more power than any other tuning option. Period. And in two weeks, you will see another CANbus-related software update which will result in another major performance leap with both 6ATs and 6MTs. So yes, having access to those 200+ parameters is indeed a benefit. And it will be more and more of a benefit as time goes by. I've even said from the start that the code reading/clearing feature of the PROcede is just a convenience. The big deal will be with what we are, and what we will be doing, with the tune itself. Shiv |
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In regards to the idea, there will inherently be bias in every review. There is simply no way around it. The the JB reviews will have the usual "makes better numbers, and is cheaper" argument, and the procede reviews will have the usual "canbus advantages etc." arguments. Each tune has its respective benefits, and I think for most, cost is a huge issue here. There is no denying the procede has more control over what is going on, as it has the canbus access, but I think to some those benefits don't outweigh the price difference. In the end, it is an opinion thing. As said before, if the tunes were the exact same price, things might be different.
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Here comes another tuner war thread....
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10-19-2009, 12:27 AM | #15 |
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I always knew Terry had PROcede envy. So much for all of the "marketing" about the "advantages" of not having map loading via laptop, logging, user adjustables, etc. Always say that what you can't do isn't necessary and overly complicated.
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