Let's Talk Performance Tires

hawaiianeze · 07-10-2013, 11:32 AM

well normally when I mod my car I know exactly what I want and I do my own thing but since I recently moved to a 335i I need some insight from others. I've ran Hankook V12s for quite a while, had a stanced car for the last couple years and it's time to get back onto my performance game. Most likely looking to stay at 18's this time around, also the car will have FBO + possibly meth. To my knowledge V12s aren't going to cut it.

My options I've been looking at are:

-Continetal Extreme Contact DW
-Nitto NT05
-Hankook RS3
-Dunlop Direzza ZII

Each have their own pros and cons. Life span and performance are my two biggest factors. I live in Cali so it doesn't rain very often here, but I don't want a tire that will send me flying off the road because its a little wet... Last but not least youre probably wondering why not get Michelins, well because I have them on the porsche and theyre great but idk if theyre really worth the money. Let me know your input and why!

Eagle1oh7 · 07-10-2013, 05:11 PM

What about Michelin PSSes? Got them on my car once I got my Forgestars and they're amazing and seem to live up to what everybody on the board recommended to me, plus reviews on the web. They're pricey, but I think it's the best tire for summer, can't tell about wet performance because Cali is Cali.

AlexTopFitment · 07-10-2013, 06:16 PM

I went with Bridgestone Potenza S-04 Pole Position. Haven't tracked/autocrossed them yet but they are much cheaper than PSS and seem like great value

robc1976 · 07-10-2013, 06:34 PM

I have to say my Nitto Invo provide fine brat traction and hold up pretty damn good! Going back to PSS only because I can't find Nitto in the size I need....Nitto has a bit more road feedback...PSS might be a bit more comfortable.

tigermack · 07-10-2013, 06:39 PM

Out of the 2, the ZII and DW perform very well in the rain. RS3 is a nightmare if it's cold or wet. RS3 requires a lot of heat, NT05 provides great dry grip. ZII is very responsive, they perform great in both dry and wet, provide very good feedback in your hands and require more precise driving. DW is nowhere as grippy than the rest of the list in the dry, however, they feel good at the limits. They are the best in the wet. If I were to choose, I'd get the ZII, also good for cars that are camber challenged. RS3 is great for hot days, they work very well in the heat (possibly best ones on the list on track).

I've ran all the tires, speaking with experience.

hawaiianeze · 07-10-2013, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tigermack

Out of the 2, the ZII and DW perform very well in the rain. RS3 is a nightmare if it's cold or wet. RS3 requires a lot of heat, NT05 provides great dry grip. ZII is very responsible, they perform great in both dry and wet, provide very good feedback in your hands and require more precise driving. DW is nowhere as grippy than the rest of the list in the dry, however, they feel good at the limits. They are the best in the wet. If I were to choose, I'd get the ZII, also good for cars that are camber challenged. RS3 is great for hot days, they work very well in the heat (possibly best ones on the list on track).

I've ran all the tires, speaking with experience.

ZII seemed to be the best out of them from what I've experienced/read. You have a rough idea on how fast they wear?

tigermack · 07-10-2013, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hawaiianeze

ZII seemed to be the best out of them from what I've experienced/read. You have a rough idea on how fast they wear?

They wear great. Nowhere as much camber wear like I got on the RS3. I have over 160 runs on the ZII in autocross and they still have a lot of life left, RS3's shoulders would have been done by now.

asian010 · 07-10-2013, 08:27 PM

loved my pss great in wet or dry. starspecs were a bit scary in the rain but phenomenal in the dry.

kaede · 07-10-2013, 09:16 PM

Out of the ones you have, i will go with the Direzza ZII. Have tried both the Z1 star spec and ZII on my NSX and they are phenomenal. HOWEVER, they do wear quite a bit faster than the other tires i have tried with the NSX (AD08, RE-11, Toyo R1R, R888). I think they were awesome in the rain, not as good as PSS for sure, but are probably not far off. Good Luck and have fun researching and shopping!!

Red_Bean_Bun · 07-10-2013, 09:18 PM

What about the conti csc5p - anyone comments on those tires ?

driverman · 07-11-2013, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by alw6589

I went with Bridgestone Potenza S-04 Pole Position. Haven't tracked/autocrossed them yet but they are much cheaper than PSS and seem like great value

+1

I have the S-04's and I love them. I like them much better than the Conti DW's.

Some Asian Guy · 07-11-2013, 03:41 AM

As far as tire life is concerned, here are the UTQG treadwear ratings for those tires. Higher number means tire wears slower/last longer.

Continental Extreme Contact DW - 340
Nitto NT05 - 200 (found from a google search, so I can't verify)
Hankook RS3 - 200 (225/40/18) and 140 (255/35/18)
Dunlop Direzza ZII - 200

VMRWheels · 07-11-2013, 01:36 PM

Continental DWs will perform well in the wet and should last pretty long if your alignment is good. The ZIIs are a pretty solid choice for a more hardcore option though. Have you considered the Bridgestone RE-11?

Spoolin Montego · 07-11-2013, 01:58 PM

If your pockets are deep, Michelin PSS. Hands down best tires (IMO) for our cars. Hooking all the way through first gear and i'm FBO, FTW.

I've also heard great things about the Dunflop ZII's.

07-10-2013, 11:32 AM	#1
hawaiianeze Major Pain 161 Rep 1,260 Posts Drives: LCI E92 335i Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	Let's Talk Performance Tires well normally when I mod my car I know exactly what I want and I do my own thing but since I recently moved to a 335i I need some insight from others. I've ran Hankook V12s for quite a while, had a stanced car for the last couple years and it's time to get back onto my performance game. Most likely looking to stay at 18's this time around, also the car will have FBO + possibly meth. To my knowledge V12s aren't going to cut it. My options I've been looking at are: -Continetal Extreme Contact DW -Nitto NT05 -Hankook RS3 -Dunlop Direzza ZII Each have their own pros and cons. Life span and performance are my two biggest factors. I live in Cali so it doesn't rain very often here, but I don't want a tire that will send me flying off the road because its a little wet... Last but not least youre probably wondering why not get Michelins, well because I have them on the porsche and theyre great but idk if theyre really worth the money. Let me know your input and why! __________________
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07-10-2013, 05:11 PM	#2
Eagle1oh7 Lieutenant Colonel 287 Rep 1,710 Posts Drives: '11 328i Sedan Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Chula Vista CA iTrader: (0)	What about Michelin PSSes? Got them on my car once I got my Forgestars and they're amazing and seem to live up to what everybody on the board recommended to me, plus reviews on the web. They're pricey, but I think it's the best tire for summer, can't tell about wet performance because Cali is Cali. __________________ DONE: Seibon CF Hood, M3 Rep, MSport rear w/DD CF Diffuser, M3 Rep Skirts, Seibon CSL trunklid, Forgestar F14 18s w/Michelin PSS, Eisenmann catback, AA Headers, BPC Stage 2, Charcoal Delete+revMotor+AFE Drop In filter FUTURE MODS: LED headlights, CF rooftop, M3 Suspension Conversion, Dinan CAI Mod
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07-10-2013, 06:16 PM	#3
AlexTopFitment Second Lieutenant 12 Rep 282 Posts Drives: 2008 335i Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: South Florida iTrader: (2)	I went with Bridgestone Potenza S-04 Pole Position. Haven't tracked/autocrossed them yet but they are much cheaper than PSS and seem like great value
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07-10-2013, 06:34 PM	#4
robc1976 DIYER 614 Rep 5,521 Posts Drives: E90 335i Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Illinois iTrader: (14)	I have to say my Nitto Invo provide fine brat traction and hold up pretty damn good! Going back to PSS only because I can't find Nitto in the size I need....Nitto has a bit more road feedback...PSS might be a bit more comfortable. __________________ JB4 G5, Stage 3 LPFP, Stage 2 MOTIV PI, VM 6466 ST, Custom OCC W/ SS lines, ER FMIC, ER CP W/HKS BOV, M3 control arms, M3 guide rods, M3 upper links, M3 front & rear sway-bars, HPA rear toe arms, Wavetrac LSD, HPF Gen 2, DEFIV kit, KW clubsport, Delrin solid SF bushings, stoptech rotors, Rogue Tranny Mounts, 1M bumper, M3 CF hood, M3 fenders, M3 OEM sideskirts, Mtech rear bumper, CSL trunk, MORR VS8.2 rims 245/295
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07-10-2013, 06:39 PM	#5
tigermack OPN DIFF 475 Rep 1,908 Posts Drives: 10' E90 M3 6MT LB Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Pacific Ocean iTrader: (12) Garage List 2010 M3 [0.00] 1995 BMW e36 325i [7.91] 2006 BMW e90 330i [8.34]	Out of the 2, the ZII and DW perform very well in the rain. RS3 is a nightmare if it's cold or wet. RS3 requires a lot of heat, NT05 provides great dry grip. ZII is very responsive, they perform great in both dry and wet, provide very good feedback in your hands and require more precise driving. DW is nowhere as grippy than the rest of the list in the dry, however, they feel good at the limits. They are the best in the wet. If I were to choose, I'd get the ZII, also good for cars that are camber challenged. RS3 is great for hot days, they work very well in the heat (possibly best ones on the list on track). I've ran all the tires, speaking with experience. __________________ '10 LB E90 slicktop/speed cloth/6MT ex. '06 330i 6MT & '10 n54 6MT Msport Autocross vids https://www.youtube.com/user/tigermack https://www.instagram.com/tigermack Last edited by tigermack; 07-10-2013 at 09:10 PM..
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07-10-2013, 08:27 PM	#8
asian010 Brigadier General 119 Rep 3,236 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: bay area iTrader: (6)	loved my pss great in wet or dry. starspecs were a bit scary in the rain but phenomenal in the dry.
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07-10-2013, 09:16 PM	#9
kaede Captain 81 Rep 734 Posts Drives: 2008 E90 M3 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Vancouver BC iTrader: (0)	Out of the ones you have, i will go with the Direzza ZII. Have tried both the Z1 star spec and ZII on my NSX and they are phenomenal. HOWEVER, they do wear quite a bit faster than the other tires i have tried with the NSX (AD08, RE-11, Toyo R1R, R888). I think they were awesome in the rain, not as good as PSS for sure, but are probably not far off. Good Luck and have fun researching and shopping!! __________________ 94' NSX - Garage Queen 97' Integra Type R - Track Warrior (Sold) 01' BMW E39 M5 (Sold), 2x 02' BMW E39 M5 (Sold & sold) 08' E90 M3 6MT - DD 13' W212 E63 AMG Wagon
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07-10-2013, 09:18 PM	#10
Red_Bean_Bun Captain 62 Rep 944 Posts Drives: E92 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Montreal iTrader: (4)	What about the conti csc5p - anyone comments on those tires ?
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07-11-2013, 03:41 AM	#12
Some Asian Guy Second Lieutenant 69 Rep 244 Posts Drives: 2015 BMW X5 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: DFW, TX iTrader: (0)	As far as tire life is concerned, here are the UTQG treadwear ratings for those tires. Higher number means tire wears slower/last longer. Continental Extreme Contact DW - 340 Nitto NT05 - 200 (found from a google search, so I can't verify) Hankook RS3 - 200 (225/40/18) and 140 (255/35/18) Dunlop Direzza ZII - 200
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07-11-2013, 01:36 PM	#13
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07-11-2013, 01:58 PM	#14
Spoolin Montego Captain 602 Rep 871 Posts Drives: 16 m3/20 x5m/23 m3 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Orange County iTrader: (1)	If your pockets are deep, Michelin PSS. Hands down best tires (IMO) for our cars. Hooking all the way through first gear and i'm FBO, FTW. I've also heard great things about the Dunflop ZII's.
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