[Wlew]

also, how much crank HP and crank tq is a gain of 20-25 and 13-15?

Wondering how close we would be to a 335. even though we lack the turbos. again, talking crank power here.

Is the 20-25 hp for the 330i crank or wheel, Im gonna say wheel. You then would have to compare your average stock 335i dyno to see the difference.

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by Wlew

yea just the muff, and I agree, scoops dont realllly help, but figured id throw it out there for kicks. Muffler adds some hp, supposedly. so just throwing out my options there for feedback.

Muffler will not add any useful hp to your car. Maybe the full piping, but just the muffler might net you 1whp. which is pretty much useless. Mufflers are for muffling the sound, not to gain any serious power out of it. I guarantee you that if your car and my car dynoed, we will net very similar whp/wtq as long as certain conditions are met.

It'd be interesting if they can tune for a muffler. lol. Scoops won't show any addition of whp/wtq, but it will help the intake by supplying colder air over time.

[Wlew]

Originally Posted by lux.sh

Muffler will not add any useful hp to your car. Maybe the full piping, but just the muffler might net you 1whp. which is pretty much useless. Mufflers are for muffling the sound, not to gain any serious power out of it. I guarantee you that if your car and my car dynoed, we will net very similar whp/wtq as long as certain conditions are met.

It'd be interesting if they can tune for a muffler. lol. Scoops won't show any addition of whp/wtq, but it will help the intake by supplying colder air over time.

Absolutely agree. the sound alone is nice though. and the loss of weight is good as well. When i bought it it said "8-10 hp gain" I knew good and well that was bs. But, figured might as well ask on here if the tune would increase with these two mods.

and to answer the question on whp or crank... it is whp, according to Craven, thats why this thing is so awesome. Cant wait for the Dyno.

Lux...are you thinking about pulling the trigger on this as well?

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by Wlew

Absolutely agree. the sound alone is nice though. and the loss of weight is good as well. When i bought it it said "8-10 hp gain" I knew good and well that was bs. But, figured might as well ask on here if the tune would increase with these two mods.

and to answer the question on whp or crank... it is whp, according to Craven, thats why this thing is so awesome. Cant wait for the Dyno.

Lux...are you thinking about pulling the trigger on this as well?

Yeah, most of those 8-10hp gain advertising for a muffler is complete crap. Maybe if paired with header/catless full piping.

Yeah, Im assuming craven meant whp/wtq. Im very interested in this mod and I can probably make some room to purchase this but Im just worried because 20~25whp gain for already optimized N52 engine is a bit too good to be true. That's forced induction gain range. I hope its not too aggressive of a tuning, sacrificing reliability. Im already out of warranty so I don't want any trouble with this car. Hopefully there is no major negative long-term effect. Also, Im a little skeptical with this "module" that lights up green and red or whatever, because it resembles other scam "power chips". However, by checking out craven's posts, he doesn't seem like a guy who would screw around. We will see tomorrow.

Im a bit afraid to pull the trigger first.. like the other member said.

[Gavin@MMW]

Originally Posted by lux.sh

whp/wtq???? You gotta be real accurate with me bro. Im checking for room in my savings account right now. Dead serious.

Oh Im serious my friend, you guys have the manifold which is basically gold to this engine.

[Gavin@MMW]

Originally Posted by Wlew

yea just the muff, and I agree, scoops dont realllly help, but figured id throw it out there for kicks. Muffler adds some hp, supposedly. so just throwing out my options there for feedback.

basically you run the regular tune, then log the data after a week or 2, we analyze it and see where things can be bumped and tweaked to pick up that little extra. Just email us the log file, and we email back a new tune and you load the new file to the OBD tool via USB and your computer

[Gavin@MMW]

Originally Posted by Wlew

also, how much crank HP and crank tq is a gain of 20-25 and 13-15?

Wondering how close we would be to a 335. even though we lack the turbos. again, talking crank power here.

Thats being taken from the wheel, and we dont suggest stacking the PbX with this, if you do it - its under a guinea pig situation and we are not responsible.
it hasnt been tested and we can tweak the throttle also, so there would be no real need to do that

[Gavin@MMW]

For the muffler alone, i wouldnt expect much, but the tune will change the sound overall, so the full exhaust kit would show gains.

the red and green lights are just an easy way to know you are ready to Rock. Were not here to rip people off, were here to make you go fast

Originally Posted by lux.sh

Yeah, most of those 8-10hp gain advertising for a muffler is complete crap. Maybe if paired with header/catless full piping.

Yeah, Im assuming craven meant whp/wtq. Im very interested in this mod and I can probably make some room to purchase this but Im just worried because 20~25whp gain for already optimized N52 engine is a bit too good to be true. That's forced induction gain range. I hope its not too aggressive of a tuning, sacrificing reliability. Im already out of warranty so I don't want any trouble with this car. Hopefully there is no major negative long-term effect. Also, Im a little skeptical with this "module" that lights up green and red or whatever, because it resembles other scam "power chips". However, by checking out craven's posts, he doesn't seem like a guy who would screw around. We will see tomorrow.

Im a bit afraid to pull the trigger first.. like the other member said.

[IB6UB9ok]

I think for the meantime, I'll stick to using my PBX UNTIL this new tune has been proven. Don't get me wrong...I'm super excited about this and hope all goes well.

20-25whp is a very good gain. Here's a guestimated calculation based on my current configuration.

Stock hp: 255 (at the crank, factor in on average 18% drivetrain loss which should be about 209.1whp)
AFE intake: 6.5whp (AFE claim)
BMW Performance Exhaust: 5-10whp (BMW claim. BMW has always been conservative with their output numbers and after speaking to a BMW tech, it's around 8-10whp)
Gintani tune: 22.5whp (taking an average of 20-25whp)
94 octane gas: dunno...maybe 2-3whp
Guestimated total: close to 250whp

That's not bad :-)

Lets all keep our fingers crossed guys!

[Gavin@MMW]

LOCALS in SoCal -

I need a 325 and a 330 who are local and able to come out to Van Nuys, you will get a special rate on the tune and we will dyno your car and post the gains - PM me if interested

[drZ]

sorry this might be a bit of a noob question but are the n52 motor on the NA 325 and 328 similar to my european n53(3L) motor? and what difference if any? and would this gintani tune work on my n53?? thanks guys..feel free to diss me hehe..

[guerilla twang]

Waiting for a 330i dyno to confirm my purchase.

[issabmw]

Originally Posted by drZ

sorry this might be a bit of a noob question but are the n52 motor on the NA 325 and 328 similar to my european n53(3L) motor? and what difference if any? and would this gintani tune work on my n53?? thanks guys..feel free to diss me hehe..

Same motor, except the N53 has direct injection and a higher output.

As to the tune, it could work with modifications to the tune, you would have to ask.

[issabmw]

Guaranteed buyer no matter what results are, USB tune is the best concept yet

[Gavin@MMW]

We are working on a tune for the 323, and the N53 but those are a little bit down the road, month or 2.

[Gavin@MMW]

Pricing and GB info is here:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...71#post7281871

[lux.sh]

Come on craven, you gotta post some dyno, pictures of the modules, etc..

As far as the OBDII tool goes, is this absoutely necessary?
how much realistic gain are we looking at for data-logging/tuning? Im sure it varies by cars..

You guys should offer "loan" program for the OBDII tool. I mean after certain data logging and tuned accordingly, we don't really need that tool right? Argh, $930 is a little too steep.

[guerilla twang]

Originally Posted by lux.sh

Come on craven, you gotta post some dyno, pictures of the modules, etc..

As far as the OBDII tool goes, is this absoutely necessary?
how much realistic gain are we looking at for data-logging/tuning? Im sure it varies by cars..

You guys should offer "loan" program for the OBDII tool. I mean after certain data logging and tuned accordingly, we don't really need that tool right? Argh, $930 is a little too steep.

Lol if you'd actually have a conversation with Craven you might know that there already is a loaner program in place.

Yea I don't know about 1k, but Ill be down for sub 500

[guerilla twang]

Gotta pay to play.

Yea Ill sit out this one for a grand