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      10-30-2009, 12:45 AM   #1
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So since the 20th of October I've taken the car to the dealership 3 times for the SAME exact problems.

The problems started on the 20th when I accelerated from 3rd to 4th from 40-60mph. The car threw a half engine light/SES and started vibrating/shaking very badly almost stalling. Scanned the car and had multiple misfires in cylinders 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6. Took the car in for service and the low pressure fuel sensor was replaced. Turning the car off/on seemed to fix the problem, but I could recreate the scenario at will...

2 days later, as I accelerated onto an on ramp again the car threw a limp mode SES light and again started to shake vibrate badly. Turned the car off/on and SES light stayed ON and I was unable to recreate the problem. It appeared I could only recreate this problem when the car was cold, and after driving it for 3-4 miles after throwing the limp and SES light, the car would 'fix' itself. Took the car in for service again, they stated they performed SI B130409 (updated my DME/Progman??) which is part of the service bulletin for misfires in cylinder 6 on cold starts...

Again the car is returned to me, and again 1 day later, the same thing happens as I leave the house for work...Again when the cars cold. I take the car straight to the dealer furious....service manager comes out and I explain the problem. He asks if my HPFP has been replaced I tell him it has not. He tells me it needs to be replaced w/o even having anybody see the car.


I have no confidence in these guys and am wondering if having them buy back the car is a possibility...

The car is 21 months old and I bought it brand new. 2008 335xi with 26K miles on it. The only other issues I have had were a leak in the mechatronic seals (XI - AWD) after 2 months of ownership which they had the car for 3-4 days.

Any ideas guys? I cant keep leaving work driving to the dealer every week..

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I dont see that happening. Go google the laws and find a more capable dealer.
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Same problem that happened to me. My 335 got lemoned 3 months later. I went in every other week to replace the fuel injectors, and got re-flashed once too. Nothing seemed to fix it, a couple weeks before I returned the car, my fuel pump started to go out too.
Email BMWNA see if they can do anything for you. If not, get yourself a lemon lawyer, make sure they dont charge you anything though. They are suppose to get paid by BMW.
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      10-30-2009, 08:20 AM   #4
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So since the 20th of October I've taken the car to the dealership 3 times for the SAME exact problems.

The problems started on the 20th when I accelerated from 3rd to 4th from 40-60mph. The car threw a half engine light/SES and started vibrating/shaking very badly almost stalling. Scanned the car and had multiple misfires in cylinders 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6. Took the car in for service and the low pressure fuel sensor was replaced. Turning the car off/on seemed to fix the problem, but I could recreate the scenario at will...

2 days later, as I accelerated onto an on ramp again the car threw a limp mode SES light and again started to shake vibrate badly. Turned the car off/on and SES light stayed ON and I was unable to recreate the problem. It appeared I could only recreate this problem when the car was cold, and after driving it for 3-4 miles after throwing the limp and SES light, the car would 'fix' itself. Took the car in for service again, they stated they performed SI B130409 (updated my DME/Progman??) which is part of the service bulletin for misfires in cylinder 6 on cold starts...

Again the car is returned to me, and again 1 day later, the same thing happens as I leave the house for work...Again when the cars cold. I take the car straight to the dealer furious....service manager comes out and I explain the problem. He asks if my HPFP has been replaced I tell him it has not. He tells me it needs to be replaced w/o even having anybody see the car.


I have no confidence in these guys and am wondering if having them buy back the car is a possibility...

The car is 21 months old and I bought it brand new. 2008 335xi with 26K miles on it. The only other issues I have had were a leak in the mechatronic seals (XI - AWD) after 2 months of ownership which they had the car for 3-4 days.

Any ideas guys? I cant keep leaving work driving to the dealer every week..
Was the first incident within 18 months of ownership? If it wasn't you might have a tough time getting it to go through. You can always give it a try anyways, if anything just PM me i went through two lemons already
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      10-30-2009, 10:04 AM   #5
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Same problem i had with my 08 e90 335i

First visit they swap out the coil and spark plug
Second time swap out the fuel injector
Third time and I hope the last the HPFP

So far is good

I have a friend that had a lemon a few months ago with his 08 e90 335i and issues with the navigation and tires issues.
It was white and the car before a year and the color was faiding so he ask at the dealer and they say that it was normal
He told me that he found that the cars assemble in africa are the most likly to have issues of this kind

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tell them to replace the injectors + spark plugs/injectors.

there are new 'improved' part numbers for them. the e9x don't even need to go through a TC case. All will be placed under warranty.

http://www.bmwtis.com/tsb/bulletins/...p/B122509g.htm

i went through the same symptoms as you.
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Same problem i had with my 08 e90 335i

First visit they swap out the coil and spark plug
Second time swap out the fuel injector
Third time and I hope the last the HPFP

So far is good

I have a friend that had a lemon a few months ago with his 08 e90 335i and issues with the navigation and tires issues.
It was white and the car before a year and the color was faiding so he ask at the dealer and they say that it was normal
He told me that he found that the cars assemble in africa are the most likly to have issues of this kind

Thx
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Wrong buddy; 50% of the 3-series cars are made (not assembled) in South Africa, and you'd be surprised the statistics are exactly opposite of what you claim on here. They are higher quality. Most of the people driving these cars around have no clue the car did not come from Germany. Anyhow, that's not the point, just saying. I don't care where they made the car, it either works or doesn't work. That said, I think this guy has a HPFP issue. I had this on my car, and changing the HPFP fixed the issue in my case.
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So since the 20th of October I've taken the car to the dealership 3 times for the SAME exact problems.

The problems started on the 20th when I accelerated from 3rd to 4th from 40-60mph. The car threw a half engine light/SES and started vibrating/shaking very badly almost stalling. Scanned the car and had multiple misfires in cylinders 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6. Took the car in for service and the low pressure fuel sensor was replaced. Turning the car off/on seemed to fix the problem, but I could recreate the scenario at will...

2 days later, as I accelerated onto an on ramp again the car threw a limp mode SES light and again started to shake vibrate badly. Turned the car off/on and SES light stayed ON and I was unable to recreate the problem. It appeared I could only recreate this problem when the car was cold, and after driving it for 3-4 miles after throwing the limp and SES light, the car would 'fix' itself. Took the car in for service again, they stated they performed SI B130409 (updated my DME/Progman??) which is part of the service bulletin for misfires in cylinder 6 on cold starts...

Again the car is returned to me, and again 1 day later, the same thing happens as I leave the house for work...Again when the cars cold. I take the car straight to the dealer furious....service manager comes out and I explain the problem. He asks if my HPFP has been replaced I tell him it has not. He tells me it needs to be replaced w/o even having anybody see the car.


I have no confidence in these guys and am wondering if having them buy back the car is a possibility...

The car is 21 months old and I bought it brand new. 2008 335xi with 26K miles on it. The only other issues I have had were a leak in the mechatronic seals (XI - AWD) after 2 months of ownership which they had the car for 3-4 days.

Any ideas guys? I cant keep leaving work driving to the dealer every week..
You have 21 months and 26K miles on it. Lemon law wont fly. I'd suggest you try a different dealership, you'd be surprised at the level of service variations dealer to dealer. I had these issues and a whole bunch of nasty electrical issues. I called BMWNA Customer service and demanded they get involved. They sent a field rep to look at the car. He was stumped and then asked to have the car taken to a particular dealership and have them deal with it. They fixed it, and treated me like loyalty.

Sounds to me like you have the classic HPFP failure symptoms we have come to know all too intimately. I had your same issues too and that turned out to be the HPFP. And it passed the pressure test every time they checked! Once they replaced it, problem solved!!
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You have 21 months and 26K miles on it. Lemon law wont fly. I'd suggest you try a different dealership, you'd be surprised at the level of service variations dealer to dealer. I had these issues and a whole bunch of nasty electrical issues. I called BMWNA Customer service and demanded they get involved. They sent a field rep to look at the car. He was stumped and then asked to have the car taken to a particular dealership and have them deal with it. They fixed it, and treated me like loyalty.

Sounds to me like you have the classic HPFP failure symptoms we have come to know all too intimately. I had your same issues too and that turned out to be the HPFP. And it passed the pressure test every time they checked! Once they replaced it, problem solved!!
that is incorrect, if you have a legit lemon law case, you are eligible to lemon the car!

"Important Consumer Notice: Arbitration is not a requirement for consumers in California to pursue a lemon law claim/case against an automobile manufacturer. Additionally, your lemon law rights extend to the entire new vehicle limited warranty period, which is typically 3 years/36,000 miles, or 4 years/50,000 miles. Don't be mislead by "information" or "instructions" or manufacturer's "lemon law booklets" that a lemon law claim must be filed within 18 months or 18,000 miles, or that you "must" go through Arbitration - this is simply not the case in California! Our lemon law offices will give you all the information you need on how to pursue a lemon law case to get your money back, or a new replacement vehicle."
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This may be what i have to do with my 135. had it in 2 time the first 2 months I have had it and both time HPFP was replaced and they took 2 days to approve the injector replacement for the misfires i get in cylinder 5. Once I get to the third pump I will start going into the options with my dealer which so far they have been good about everything.
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Same problem i had with my 08 e90 335i

First visit they swap out the coil and spark plug
Second time swap out the fuel injector
Third time and I hope the last the HPFP

So far is good

I have a friend that had a lemon a few months ago with his 08 e90 335i and issues with the navigation and tires issues.
It was white and the car before a year and the color was faiding so he ask at the dealer and they say that it was normal
He told me that he found that the cars assemble in africa are the most likly to have issues of this kind

Thx
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When I purchased my car, I was closing on the deal and before signing asked...by the way, where was the car assembled?

The dealer responded with South Africa. I told them that I was paying a premium to own a quality car like a BMW and would not accept a vehicle assembled in a 3rd world country. I doubt that BMW's best and most experience employees accept long-term assignments in Africa.

They found a similar car assembled in Munich. Signed the papers and never had to take my car back to the dealer for warranty issues.

I think most people don't ask such questions, as it may be deemed politically incorrect. I just wanted to get the best quality possible.
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I ordered mine and watched it spend a couple of weeks in Munich completing assembly before being delivered to Amsterdam and then shipped over to the states.

My LPFP went out @ 1200 miles, my clutch snapped @ 2300 miles, and my HPFP went out @ 8300 miles. Other than that, seems like a very solid car. Oh, and my stereo sound oscillates sometimes, more so with certain CD's but sometimes a tad with radio.

There are TONS of other problems people are having with these cars, none of which mine seems to have. I think the fuel pumps are just a bad design. The clutch might have had a little too much torque dumped on it all at once.

Point is I think my car is pretty good quality to be honest. Only thing I worry about is the HPFP which isn't a product of where it was built or assembled, just a bad design.
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I think what I meant to say was I don't have rattles, loose connections, things falling off or coming loose, etc. I think where it is built can only compare assembly problems. Most of the "parts" in the car are built in factories and assembly lines elsewhere (like radios, pumps, etc.).
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