Another HPFP issue ? In Europe ...

e.n335 · 11-04-2009, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CarveOut

There isn't. These instructions have just recently been released (Oct 2009):
http://www.bmwtis.com/tiscode/cgi-bi...sion=151533398

Looks like BMW is diving deeper into this...

Yes, they take it serious, it took around 30 minutes to hook up my car and perform the tests.

RBBMWE46M3 · 11-04-2009, 08:13 AM

I'm on my third HPFP and I am getting long starts again. I called my dealer yesterday and they told me that the car was not "designed" to use ethanol gasoline....that there might be some "leaking around the injectors" causing fuel build in the cylinders causing long starts....I told them that I am not going to call them again until the car will flat out just not start and they can come and tow it. (and drop off another loaner) By the way I do not get any limp mode warnings at long starts and rough idle. Nothing but amaco ultamate

CarveOut · 11-04-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by e.n335

Yes, they take it serious, it took around 30 minutes to hook up my car and perform the tests.

Just 30 minutes? When I read the new procedures I felt like it could easily take more than a day. I guess you didn't get an ISTA update because you're flashed.

vladster · 11-04-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RBBMWE46M3

I'm on my third HPFP and I am getting long starts again. I called my dealer yesterday and they told me that the car was not "designed" to use ethanol gasoline....that there might be some "leaking around the injectors" causing fuel build in the cylinders causing long starts....I told them that I am not going to call them again until the car will flat out just not start and they can come and tow it. (and drop off another loaner) By the way I do not get any limp mode warnings at long starts and rough idle. Nothing but amaco ultamate

Ethanol or whatever. Its a damn bimmer it should work on water for this money.

6Zylinder · 11-04-2009, 12:44 PM

What are the manufacturers of the HPFP? I read that there is two or three different brands. Siemens, Bosch, what else? Maybe one of the manufacturer has a bad batch.

e.n335 · 11-04-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CarveOut

Just 30 minutes? When I read the new procedures I felt like it could easily take more than a day. I guess you didn't get an ISTA update because you're flashed.

Not worth the labor costs for this part, IMO ... this would cause costs exceeding an exchange. High pressure fuel pump issues are not that unusual with BMW's. The BMW turbo diesels, having a common rail injection operating at much higher pressure tell the whole story. I personally thought we have an ethanol issue with the 335i. I have been wrong and I never got a warning light or message.

RBBMWE46M3 · 11-05-2009, 08:12 AM

Ive got a 72 R75/5 that has not had the valve seats replaced for non leaded gas. That dam bike would run on kerosene. It is the only BMW I would never sell. (My dad bought it brand new in 72) Just a quality piece of machinery built over 35 years ago....sign of the times I guess...BMW quality has taken a nose dive IMO

e.n335 · 11-05-2009, 02:35 PM

Got the HPFP replaced today. Brought the car to the dealership in the morning and got it back at 4 pm. Car was cleaned inside and outside as well. Software had not to be updated because the turbos have been replaced recently. Car has 45.000 miles now. Very good service

. The car passed and failed corresponding to the new TIS instructions. No other issues, no other codes stored. Sometimes it's cheap to buy not that cheap

.

ebeem · 11-05-2009, 02:53 PM

I`m on my second HPFP

second row of injectors,spark plug and lambda sensors...

well....we`ll see what happens the weeks to come.
Just got the car back today

e.n335 · 11-05-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ebeem

I`m on my second HPFP

second row of injectors,spark plug and lambda sensors...

well....we`ll see what happens the weeks to come.
Just got the car back today

vanos issue might happen as well. other than that the list seems to be complete.

Alpina_B3_Lux · 01-10-2010, 04:41 PM

Just got these codes from my new BT tool (I had a limp mode around 100 km back, in line with the event 3) - I guess my HPFP is giving up as well.

Alpina_B3_Lux

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2FBF
Fuel pressure at injection release

Event 2
Odometer 25304 km
rail pressure 4.075,55 hPa
PWM-Signal of mass control valve 47,66
voltage KL 87 11,07
fuel pressure before mass control valve 5.518,99 hPa

Event 3
Odometer 27480 km
rail pressure 6.792,59 hPa
PWM-Signal of mass control valve 57,81
voltage KL 87 11,17
fuel pressure before mass control valve 5.349,17 hPa

29DC
Cylinder injection switch-off

29D1
Misfirings, cylinder 5

29D0
Misfirings, cylinder 4

29CC
Misfirings, several cylinders

marconi118 · 01-11-2010, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebeem

I`m on my second HPFP

second row of injectors,spark plug and lambda sensors...

well....we`ll see what happens the weeks to come.
Just got the car back today

Did you get all the 6 injectors replaced 2 times?

I got my 6 replaced last week and the 6 coils + plugs but now again misfires

cstavaru · 01-11-2010, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by e.n335

It is the HPFP. Had the car at the dealership this morning and will get the new pump on Thursday.

Scares the hell out of me !

I suppose it's just better to alternate the gas brands and not stick to only one. It's like eating the same food everyday...something will be wrong after some time

Good luck !

TexAg06 · 01-11-2010, 09:44 AM

it has nothing to do with ethanol in our fuel. that's cop out by munich.

Alpina_B3_Lux · 01-11-2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cstavaru

Scares the hell out of me !

I suppose it's just better to alternate the gas brands and not stick to only one. It's like eating the same food everyday...something will be wrong after some time

Good luck !

Honestly, I don't really think it is related to the gas quality, at least here in Europe. I've only used 98 octane fuel, normally Shell, sometimes even 100 octane and nevertheless have the problem (most probably, see above). I tend to think it's a constructive weakness of that part, finally.

Just my 2C.

Alpina_B3_Lux

JacksonHandy · 01-11-2010, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

Honestly, I don't really think it is related to the gas quality, at least here in Europe. I've only used 98 octane fuel, normally Shell, sometimes even 100 octane and nevertheless have the problem (most probably, see above). I tend to think it's a constructive weakness of that part, finally.

Just my 2C.

Alpina_B3_Lux

Yeah, but those are Euro Cents. So thats like 3 US Cents.

e.n335 · 01-11-2010, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JacksonHandy

Yeah, but those are Euro Cents. So thats like 3 US Cents.

don't be that cheap

or buy a civic

paapaa · 03-25-2012, 07:10 AM

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...postcount=4527

does BMW Europe fix failing HPFP under 200 000km / 10 years,as in USA?
cannot find any document to use here, in Europe :/

-kai

enrita · 03-25-2012, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by paapaa

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...postcount=4527

does BMW Europe fix failing HPFP under 200 000km / 10 years,as in USA?
cannot find any document to use here, in Europe :/

-kai

No. Nice thread resurrection though.

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6Zylinder appreciate your car 5 Rep 351 Posts Drives: BMW 335i built 07/06 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: back in Europe iTrader: (0)	What are the manufacturers of the HPFP? I read that there is two or three different brands. Siemens, Bosch, what else? Maybe one of the manufacturer has a bad batch. __________________ My 335i The Ultimate Driving Machine...
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e.n335 Moderator 270 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	Got the HPFP replaced today. Brought the car to the dealership in the morning and got it back at 4 pm. Car was cleaned inside and outside as well. Software had not to be updated because the turbos have been replaced recently. Car has 45.000 miles now. Very good service . The car passed and failed corresponding to the new TIS instructions. No other issues, no other codes stored. Sometimes it's cheap to buy not that cheap .
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ebeem First Lieutenant 16 Rep 329 Posts Drives: E93 335i M - Paket Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Munich,Germany iTrader: (0)	I`m on my second HPFP second row of injectors,spark plug and lambda sensors... well....we`ll see what happens the weeks to come. Just got the car back today
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Alpina_B3_Lux Colonel 263 Rep 2,559 Posts Drives: Audi R8 LMX, BMW M550i xDrive Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Germany iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 335i [8.90]	Just got these codes from my new BT tool (I had a limp mode around 100 km back, in line with the event 3) - I guess my HPFP is giving up as well. Alpina_B3_Lux --- 2FBF Fuel pressure at injection release Event 2 Odometer 25304 km rail pressure 4.075,55 hPa PWM-Signal of mass control valve 47,66 voltage KL 87 11,07 fuel pressure before mass control valve 5.518,99 hPa Event 3 Odometer 27480 km rail pressure 6.792,59 hPa PWM-Signal of mass control valve 57,81 voltage KL 87 11,17 fuel pressure before mass control valve 5.349,17 hPa 29DC Cylinder injection switch-off 29D1 Misfirings, cylinder 5 29D0 Misfirings, cylinder 4 29CC Misfirings, several cylinders __________________ Audi R8 LMX, BMW M550i xDrive (G30 LCI); gone: Alpina B3 3,3 (E46), BMW 335i, Audi R8 V10 manual, Audi R8 V10, BMW M235i, BMW 550i F10
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paapaa Second Lieutenant 15 Rep 215 Posts Drives: 335i AT Coupe Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Finland iTrader: (0)	http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...postcount=4527 does BMW Europe fix failing HPFP under 200 000km / 10 years,as in USA? cannot find any document to use here, in Europe :/ -kai
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