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03-14-2011, 04:42 AM | #45 | |
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As it happens, I am indeed a graduate, and do hold a degree in a Scientific subject. Doesn’t make me an ‘expert’, any more than your degree makes you one. If there is one salutary lesson to be had from the University experience, it’s that you don’t have to be intelligent to go to University. Another useful one is this: it's possible to be highly intelligent yet also be an idiot. Meanwhile, here's a report from Channel 4 yesterday, on the current status of these 'acceptable risks': "We have watched the highly efficient search for the dead. Beyond the remarkable survival of the man found floating on his roof, 10 miles out to sea, few people have been pulled alive from all this. But it is the nuclear threat that is paramount. The authorities are engaged in a desperate battle to prevent another explosion, after the roof of a building blew off at a Fukushima nuclear plant on Saturday. A second reactor at Fukushima appears to be in meltdown, a second plant in the same region is also in trouble, and yet another nuclear station is facing exactly the same problem with cooling system failure. The authorities are pumping sea water in to cool the reactors, and fortunately the wind is in a good direction, but the Japanese Government is already being accused of downplaying the scale of what is happening." Cheers FM Last edited by FieldingMellish; 03-14-2011 at 06:25 AM.. |
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03-14-2011, 05:14 AM | #46 |
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2000 people washed up on the shore line.
They rekon it could end up being 10,000 dead. So sad.
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03-14-2011, 05:19 AM | #47 |
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I have a degree in Materials Engineering (Swansea 1997). I can tell you all with great authority that my table is made of wood and my cup is made of ceramic.
Impressive huh? This quake is unbelievable - my jaw has dropped every time I've seen more footage. |
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03-14-2011, 05:32 AM | #48 |
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I have 2 degrees! Bath and Royal Holloway!... I was just too drunk to remember any of the lectures though!...
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03-14-2011, 05:33 AM | #49 | |
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Within living memory some very clever scientists thought that they were doing the right thing when they developed rocket technologies which enabled Hitler to rain bombs down upon London. But many scientists will tell you, ah, that is politics, we merely provide the technologies - it's not our fault what people use them for. You might call it "the Werner von Braun defence". |
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03-14-2011, 06:07 AM | #50 |
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Some more of those 'acceptable' risks panning out:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12729138 |
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03-14-2011, 08:24 AM | #53 |
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These explosions we are seeing, while dramatic and making good TV news for the anchor men/ladies, are not the reactors exploding. And any radioactivity released in this steam is very limited and finite.
I am only now seeing some very good, clear reporting/explanation of the mechanics/events in the present situation. The latest BBC reports with good clear graphics have started to inform rather than speculate. I do think it is very important that the normal layman can be informed of the actual scenario and facts in a clear and accessable manner - this helps counter any (dis-)information supplied by those with any poilitcal agendas or vested interests. I have over 20 years experience working directly in this industry - very closely with the Japanese having spent months at a time with the lads on site througout Japan. Not arrogance or being a "know it all". D.
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03-14-2011, 08:25 AM | #54 | |
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Oh, bollocks. You tried swinging your big fancy degree around and it didn't get you anywhere. Now you're trying to impress us with your years of expertise-generating work. Oh, and your 'contacts'. None of that matters. I'm not claiming to have done any 'research', I'm just arguing against the claim that 'the media' are just scaremongering because it suits their lefty agenda. In case you hadn't noticed, there's a tragedy unfolding in Japan, and a nuclear incident is ongoing. |
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03-14-2011, 08:40 AM | #56 |
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Shadow and Mellish sitting in a tree....kissing...
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03-14-2011, 08:40 AM | #57 | |
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I'm sick of hearing self-appointed 'experts' wringing their hands over the ignorant 'layman' and his propensity for having the wool pulled over his eyes by the nasty, agenda-serving, tree-hugging media. NB. you told me that the Japanese do not build nuclear power stations on fault lines (not that I claimed they did). But isn't Japan, to all intents an purposes, one big fault line? |
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Are you still here? I am sure you said in one of your earlier posts that you were taking your leave of this thread? Did you edit it out? I am all for a balanced debate, and I know that there are always contrary views and opinions to my own. I also know that I am not always entirely correct and that I may not articulate my opinions and choose my words carefully. However, the manner and style in which you respond to the points made in this thread, by most contributors, is bordering on the obnoxious and says much about you FM. You also insinuate that the contributors have no symapthy and emotion towards the plight of the Japanese people involved, in that, you are very wrong. |
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03-14-2011, 08:58 AM | #59 |
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So many words written about who is the "rightest" with spurious references to intellect.
Oh dear... |
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03-14-2011, 09:00 AM | #60 |
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We've been here before Fielding, last time it ended in tears before bedtime.
I'd take a pill and chill, or better still read the Daily Mail, you know it makes sense On a more serious note, the human tragedy that occured and is still being revealed is mind blowing beyond belief, and demonstrates so well how utterly powerless man is in controlling the elements. |
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I was just watching Sky News, and on the news ticker, it said that upto 10,000 might have died in Minamisanriku alone!
Absolutely shocking
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I don't have any special knowledge of the nuclear industry, either here or in Japan. But I do know a lot about the workings of the media, and the disparity -between reality and the almost lunatic perspective often found on this forum and this particular thread - is enormous. Quote:
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No, I made no such insinuation. I honestly intended no such thing. This thread was started by someone who obviously had the plight of the Japanese in mind. I just meant that it's maybe a tad premature for our resident 'experts' to be telling us all is well when the thing is still going on. Even if you are a bona fide expert in this field, the situation is ongoing and complex, and I think it's a bit early to be sounding the 'all clear'. I think the urge to do so demonstrates that you are working to just as much of an 'agenda' as you suspect 'the media' of pursuing. |
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03-14-2011, 09:12 AM | #63 | |
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Can't take any pills at present, but will attempt to chill....... And yes of course, the human tragedy is unbelievably shocking, and the scale is too much to take in, unimaginable suffering. |
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You also have to bear in mind that the media reporter is also a layman in these issues - do you seriously take everything he takes as gospel when he may only have a limited grasp on the technical situation ? Quote:
Giving the layman clear, accessable facts will limit the effects of those who wish to colour the issue. Give people the chance to make objective decisions. Quote:
What has happened in Japan is probably the worst case scenario you could expect and while the cooling systems were badly damaged the reactor buildings and cores seemed to have remained intact. I would wait until we get a final outcome before decrying the safety and risk of using nuclear power. Countless people have been killed in this event or made homeless. Many of the oil refineries are burning out of control. Pollution and contamination from many other sources will have been released. To date, the public's health has not been affected by the events at the nuclear plants. D.
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Bottom line: this incident, irrespective of any media sensationalism, plays to people's fears about nuclear power, the main one being a suspicion that man cannot control events which may impact nuclear power stations to a catastrophic extent. We may say they are safe etc. but events like this give us pause. To think along these lines does not make one stupid or a media dupe or a rabid anti-nuclear zealot or anything like that - it's an entirely natural caution. |
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03-14-2011, 11:49 AM | #66 |
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Come on, even if this is technically true now (and you discount the people who worked at the plant as members of 'the public'), how likely is it that this will be the eventual outcome?
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