[Next M3]

I have a Saphire Black E90 330i that has swirls. Would a nice detail job get rid of them?

[Collanrf]

Originally Posted by Next M3

I have a Saphire Black E90 330i that has swirls. Would a nice detail job get rid of them?

I got the same problem.

[Next M3]

Maybe we should expirement on your car and see if it works?

LOL

[pierre_wei]

Where can we get this Expirement done??

[exceldetail]

Originally Posted by Next M3

I have a Saphire Black E90 330i that has swirls. Would a nice detail job get rid of them?

If you specify your desire to get rid of them, yes. Some detailers and/or shops will simply hide them, assuming the consumer doesnt know better. Its really a simple task with the correct products and procedures.
Heres a quick example of what just a little work can yield.....
Before (obviously)

After......

I know its not quit what you folks drive, but its just an example of what proper car care can do for you.........
Now, to me, its not complete until everything is gone, but to the owner, its about 200% better!

Same car....

After....


Ok, now heres what your more use to!!

[ADHD]

yes ive had the same problem with my jet black!! I swear my thread needs to be a sticky!!!
step-by-step products that will remove swirls
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...t=attack+black

[pander5]

Yes, a good detailer will remove them - not fill/hide them. Like exceldetail said make sure you express to the detailer you don't want them hidden you want them removed. Make sure you tell them before the work so results can't be challenged. A good shop and a skilled rotary user can make relatively quick work of removing them. Bring a MF towel and a spray bottle of isopropyl alc/water mix to the detailer after he's done and wipe a small section you knew had swirls before. You shouldn't see them reappear.

I you're going to try it yourself look at what ADHD did - incredible!

[Chesmu]

there's a sticky about car-care that covers how to not get too many swirls when washing and caring for your car, as well.

[pander5]

Yes, that's an important point and especially useful info after you may have paid money to get them removed.

[justwaiting]

Just make sure you have a clearcoat left when the detailer is done. The Flat black cars don't always have the thickest paint on the curves and edges...if you ask the detailers to buff them out...they are basically removing the top layers of the clear coat. Best thing..get a nice thick wax like Maquire's X which removes swirls...and/or use Zaino 1(the thicker one) which is a little bit thicker but it removes the swirls nicely without destroying the paint on the car. I've had previous cars that looked great after leaving the detail shop only to look sandblasted a few month's later due to lack of a clear coat on my paint.

[jdfj316]

Try here, www.properautocare.com, I use their products on my Deep Black 2006 VW Passat and really like them. Their Blackfire line is great.

[shragon]

i used to have a jet black bmw, so i know the pain. below is what i posted on another thread.

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3m finesse-it II machine polish, and a porter cable. don't waste your money on 3m swirl mark remover, as it contains a lot of fillers that just hide swirl marks, and those swirls will reappear a few washes later. 3m finesse-it II is a true polish and will take a lot of swirls out using it with a porter cable.

also so that you get a min amount of swirl marks in the future, try to use microfiber towels. when washing the car, i use a sheepskin mitt with the two bucket method and dry with a big blue waffle towel which is microfiber.

good luck with the project.

[ICALL]

Originally Posted by ADHD

yes ive had the same problem with my jet black!! I swear my thread needs to be a sticky!!!
step-by-step products that will remove swirls
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...t=attack+black

ADHD, I just clicked on your link. I have to tell you, I normally HATE the sedan body style. I have a 335i coupe and love the coupe. Your sedan is the sexiest I've ever seen. That lip on the trunk really does it. The rims are awesome and the car is perfect! If BMW made all the sedans like that, they'd probably sell ALOT more. Great job!

Oh yeah, the paint looks pretty good too

[Maestro]

Having restored cars in the past and doing a complete paint job from primer to final finish. Doing a hand rub with the show car glaze that ADHD pointed out works great.

I warn people about using buffers and the such, I have seen people who used them all the time to get the swirls out of a black cars and ended up over time taking the paint off the edges.

As everyone knows the swirls come form the rags/cloths you use to wash/dry/wax the car. One of the things I never do is wash my cleaning cloth with detergents in the washer. It tend to distroy the colths and make them hard, especially if you live in an area with hardwater.

I personally like using the car glaze with a good soft cloth and using my hands verses a machine.

One way to know you did it all right is if you can put a ruler on the hood and clearly read the 12" mark. I have used the car glaze on a white car and you could see the 12" mark and that is hard on white trust me.

[tdekany]

Originally Posted by Maestro

Having restored cars in the past and doing a complete paint job from primer to final finish. Doing a hand rub with the show car glaze that ADHD pointed out works great.

I warn people about using buffers and the such, I have seen people who used them all the time to get the swirls out of a black cars and ended up over time taking the paint off the edges.

As everyone knows the swirls come form the rags/cloths you use to wash/dry/wax the car. One of the things I never do is wash my cleaning cloth with detergents in the washer. It tend to distroy the colths and make them hard, especially if you live in an area with hardwater.

I personally like using the car glaze with a good soft cloth and using my hands verses a machine.

One way to know you did it all right is if you can put a ruler on the hood and clearly read the 12" mark. I have used the car glaze on a white car and you could see the 12" mark and that is hard on white trust me.

If I may say so - removing that much clear with the pc is nearly impossible. You can do it, but that would take running it in the same spot and a yellow/orange pad. No one does that. The pc is a very safe machine.

Glazes are designed to hide imperfections.

Lots of good info on this board but there are even more that are not true. Sorry.

[picus]

Originally Posted by tdekany

If I may say so - removing that much clear with the pc is nearly impossible. You can do it, but that would take running it in the same spot and a yellow/orange pad. No one does that. The pc is a very safe mashine.

Glazes are designed to hide imperfections.

Lots of good info on this board but there are even more that are not true. Sorry.

Heya

[tdekany]

Originally Posted by picus

Heya

Back to you!

[pander5]

I can see doing that with a rotary but I've done PC tests with a neighbor's beater and nothing even close to damage. My neighbor has a HPCV (sp?) paint setup and he gave me the green light to go down to the metal if I wanted on his 02 Ford Escort - he wants to repaint it and it would mean less work for him if I could do it. Couldn't with the PC and there were attempts at dwelling on a single spot with a yellow pad on speed 6. The only result I could attain was a shiny car he now doesn't need to repaint for a while. Without a PTG I don't know how low I went but I doubt I removed any significant amount of clearcoat.

[beauderek]

Originally Posted by Maestro

As everyone knows the swirls come form the rags/cloths you use to wash/dry/wax the car. One of the things I never do is wash my cleaning cloth with detergents in the washer. It tend to distroy the colths and make them hard, especially if you live in an area with hardwater.

Oops. I always wash my towel in the wash machine with normal detergent. Guess I'll have to change my method.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by Next M3

I have a Saphire Black E90 330i that has swirls. Would a nice detail job get rid of them?

light swirls (Klasse AIO).
heavy swirls (Einzett, 3M, or other products).

Quick Tips on keeping swirl free:
-Never use a circular motion when hand washing, drying, or waxing
-Never use any other buffer than a Random Orbital Buffer.
-Only use clean microfiber or cotton chennele(sp?) mitt to wash the car.
-use microfiber, "Absorber" to dry the car.
-Use two buckets to wash the car (Soap / Rinse).

[shragon]

Originally Posted by tdekany

If I may say so - removing that much clear with the pc is nearly impossible. You can do it, but that would take running it in the same spot and a yellow/orange pad. No one does that. The pc is a very safe mashine.

Glazes are designed to hide imperfections.

Lots of good info on this board but there are even more that are not true. Sorry.

agreed. and yes, the pc is a very safe machine and therefor highly recommended.

[SteveMD]

Black is a tough color and shows imperfections really quick. Although my BMW is TiAg, I also have a black Suburban which is a PITA to keep clean and looking good.

I use pure cotton terry cloth, I cut off the hemmed edge and the tag and use three or four to do the 'Burb'.. It sounds anal but I use one for the hood and roof, one for the vertical surfaces above the 'waist' line and two for below the waist where a lot of dirt tends to gather.

I rinse them fully and hang them out to dry. I probably do three or maybe four washes per set of cloths, then they get demoted to wheel cloths.

I dry with a couple of brand new cloths (hems and tags off). These become wash cloths after a couple of drying sessions..

The TiAg BMW is much easier. I could use wet and dry paper to wash it and it wouldn't show swirls.