[b18b1ex]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

Because he has nothing to back up his claims with That's why he keeps dodging the questions

You should be asking your god for data to support his test other than beating the life out of his car, I'm not selling you a potential problem. Have you been reading the same thread, you should go back and see who is dodging questions.

In the end, the bottom line is that when your car breaks, if it does. Is procede standing behind you with his wallet open, or are you standing there alone!

It may never fail, what if it does?

[jpsimon]

There you go, dodging questions again. You are the one making a bunch of ridiculous claims.. YOU are the one that should be providing data to back yourself up with.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by b18b1ex

In the end, the bottom line is that when your car breaks, if it does. Is procede standing behind you with his wallet open, or are you standing there alone!

Nope, but BMW is. That is the point of a piggyback, YOU CAN TAKE IT OUT! I thought that was obvious....

[b18b1ex]

Originally Posted by b18b1ex

You should be asking your god for data to support his test other than beating the life out of his car, I'm not selling you a potential problem. Have you been reading the same thread, you should go back and see who is dodging questions.

In the end, the bottom line is that when your car breaks, if it does. Is procede standing behind you with his wallet open, or are you standing there alone!

It may never fail, what if it does?

What is ridiculous?

[stressdoc]

Originally Posted by b18b1ex

You should be asking your god for data to support his test other than beating the life out of his car, I'm not selling you a potential problem. Have you been reading the same thread, you should go back and see who is dodging questions.

In the end, the bottom line is that when your car breaks, if it does. Is procede standing behind you with his wallet open, or are you standing there alone!

It may never fail, what if it does?

I think most everyone got the point that Dinan offers a warranty and is a big outfit with a longstanding reputation; whereas Vishnu does not offer a warranty on the car, and is not a big outfit with a tradition in the BMW community.

We understood all of this like months or years ago. Really, you are not adding anything new to the conversation.

And data is not something that I usually ask from a God.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by b18b1ex

What is ridiculous?

You quoting yourself...

[b18b1ex]

Originally Posted by kyleh4852

Nope, but BMW is. That is the point of a piggyback, YOU CAN TAKE IT OUT! I thought that was obvious....

You keep believing that when they take out the broken turbo and have it analyzed. Turbo engineers will be able to tell what happened. Why, they would have seen the same issues in their tests!

[garyhgaryh]

Originally Posted by b18b1ex

Actually if you read my previous posts, I said they were most likely given access, but who really knows, they do have a flash out for the 335. How many other tuners can say that?

You did say "have you cracked any ECU's?" Yes, I do think Dinan was given access or paid for it (but how am I to know?).

Anyways, just because Dinan has been in business for a while doesn't mean no other companies started after them will do poorly. That's just a bad assumption on your part. Remember the Japanese companies in the 70's? Look at them now. Compare Sony with Zenith - need I say more? Age of company doesn't mean a thing, except they are established.

[garyhgaryh]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

This kind of statement could be interpreted as a racist slur. I took it to mean that you have little respect for the many years of experience Shiv has had tuning turbo cars, compared to what Steve Dinan has had building a company that markets a wide range of products -- everything from "signature floor mats" to lightweight wheels @ 1249 each + 299 spacer. What is the point here? They are both great guys. I don't get why some folks are so intent on trying to tear either one down. Dinan has a ton of stuff that his company works on. Shiv is focussed on modifying the information processing system of the N54. Can't we appreciate them both?

Excellent post.

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by b18b1ex

You keep believing that when they take out the broken turbo and have it analyzed. Turbo engineers will be able to tell what happened. Why, they would have seen the same issues in their tests!

While I would not condone someone blowing a turbo due to upgrades and putting it on BMW to flip the bill; your statement is off base on two immediate accounts.

First, by the time the turbo is received back at MHI the owner would have been returned a functioning vehicle.

Second, bearing failure can occur in a number of ways and is not exclusive of spinning faster.

[b18b1ex]

Originally Posted by garyhgaryh

You did say "have you cracked any ECU's?" Yes, I do think Dinan was given access or paid for it (but how am I to know?).

Anyways, just because Dinan has been in business for a while doesn't mean no other companies started after them will do poorly. That's just a bad assumption on your part. Remember the Japanese companies in the 70's? Look at them now. Compare Sony with Zenith - need I say more? Age of company doesn't mean a thing, except they are established.

I was citing their experiences, resources, and access. In your comparison the japanese poured more into r&d to have a more reliable, better engineered products. Then you will come here and say hondas are underpowered and cheap, yadda yadda, yadda. The bottom line is their conservative approach has lead them to taking over the car market. Aren't the Japanese number 1 and 2 in sales?

[garyhgaryh]

Originally Posted by b18b1ex

You should be asking your god for data to support his test other than beating the life out of his car, I'm not selling you a potential problem. Have you been reading the same thread, you should go back and see who is dodging questions.

In the end, the bottom line is that when your car breaks, if it does. Is procede standing behind you with his wallet open, or are you standing there alone!

It may never fail, what if it does?

Reach each of your sentences dude. There are no facts - only opinions with alot of hyped feeling behind it or a question. You really sound like a kid jumping up and down like you know what you're talking about.

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by b18b1ex

Aren't the Japanese number 1 and 2 in sales?

Nope, GM is stil the largest with Toyota trailing and Ford taking up third.

[canesr1]

What's the difference really to the end user? We KNOW the v1/v2/v2.0834 does go into limp mode at times for WHATEVER reason. Has ANYONE gone limp with dinan???
I know I haven't...yet I have 6k miles and running BETTER than ever!
Your answer is right there my friends

Originally Posted by garyhgaryh

If this is the case, then lets hear it (what extra test has dinan completed that is above and over Shiv's)? It's a valid question.

My car is already purchased, not leased.

[b18b1ex]

Originally Posted by scalbert

While I would not condone someone blowing a turbo due to upgrades and putting it on BMW to flip the bill; your statement is off base on two immediate accounts.

First, by the time the turbo is received back at MHI the owner would have been returned a functioning vehicle.

Second, bearing failure can occur in a number of ways and is not exclusive of spinning faster.

Yes, the turbo could have been replaced, but then what? They can still void you from future work.

And yes there can be other reasons, but in their exhaustive testing they will have data to identify many different possible failure modes.

[garyhgaryh]

Originally Posted by b18b1ex

I was citing their experiences, resources, and access. In your comparison the japanese poured more into r&d to have a more reliable, better engineered products. Then you will come here and say hondas are underpowered and cheap, yadda yadda, yadda. The bottom line is their conservative approach has lead them to taking over the car market. Aren't the Japanese number 1 and 2 in sales?

Experience? How do you measure it? By year in business?
Lets take a sw engineer. I know a guy in the sw industry for 15 years.
I know a kid that's been doing the same thing for five years. I'll trust the
guy with only five years experience because he can write better code then the guy who has been in the business for 15 years.

Resource and access? I believe Dinan has more resources (how do I know? I don't, but it's just a guess).

Yeah, the japanese are top sellers in the automotive industry so that puts your argument to rest .

Gary

[b18b1ex]

Originally Posted by garyhgaryh

Reach each of your sentences dude. There are no facts - only opinions with alot of hyped feeling behind it or a question. You really sound like a kid jumping up and down like you know what you're talking about.

proofread please.

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by b18b1ex

Yes, the turbo could have been replaced, but then what? They can still void you from future work.

And yes there can be other reasons, but in their exhaustive testing they will have data to identify many different possible failure modes.

The levels of analysis on failed parts general does not identify if upgrades were made as the number would be miniscule. They would identify a bearing failure and put it under that category; nothing more. I say this with serious intent as we have designed many of the systems which perform such testing.

[jpsimon]

stop dodging questions please.

Originally Posted by b18b1ex

proofread please.

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by garyhgaryh

Yeah, the japanese are top sellers in the automotive industry so that puts your argument to rest .

GM is still number 1!!!

[e90AW335i]

Well Mods, might as well close this one down......

[garyhgaryh]

Originally Posted by scalbert

GM is still number 1!!!

I thought GM was surpassed by Toyota for the first time in history last year. I could be wrong. GM is huge.

Honda has sold my accords than Tauras. Before, that was only true if you did not include tauras fleet sales. Now included, the accord has outsold Tauras, correct me if I am wrong.