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ESS is considering making a SC kit for the N52!
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08-01-2012, 05:18 PM | #287 |
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08-01-2012, 05:23 PM | #288 |
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you got yours done for a measly $500... didn't realize it was gonna be much more.
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08-01-2012, 05:29 PM | #289 |
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thats cuz my wife already removed the important part
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08-01-2012, 05:32 PM | #290 |
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was there really much to remove in the first place?
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08-01-2012, 06:07 PM | #291 |
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don't act like you don't know.
go make a diptych about it... |
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08-01-2012, 06:11 PM | #292 |
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I thought the theme wasn't lose-lose.
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08-01-2012, 07:26 PM | #293 |
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The theme is victory/defeat. Or Before/After if Badger's the subject.
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08-01-2012, 07:33 PM | #294 | |
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For a company like MMW, that could mean getting known to the whole world; They got nothing to lose (but the actually did!). But ESS doesnt need that. Business is cruising. Probably not worth the risk.
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Maybe $20-30k tops which they make back in the profits of the first dozen unit sales. |
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08-02-2012, 08:23 AM | #297 | |
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But you forget the most important part. Software. There is where they would need to work on the most. (According to those who already did it). Is it really true or they just want some shout outs for their hard work; that I cant tell; but both shops that actually developped a SC kit for the N52 agreed on that point: FI software for the N52 is a pain since they go from the OEM software and add the FI settings and add the extra features. And the M54 is as similar to the N52 as it is a completely different engine. Similar on some points, different on others. Is it good or bad for the shared application? That, I cant tell; I dont know the M54 well enough to make that statement.
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1. Software is actually the easiest part. I work for a tuning company, we custom tune s/c applications all the time. If you know what you are doing its really a non issue. Again the engine being similar to the m54 in the way it works helps them because it's a similar mindset on how to make power on that platform. 2. Don't under estimate the power of pricing markup. I've seen these kits for the e46 on sale for $3500 before and if you think they'd sell them without making a profit you're wrong. At $5k a kit there is at least $2000 or more profit built in. |
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Well if you're in the business, I'm not gonna argue anymore I'm just repeating what i've been told by a couple persons that are also in the business; but they were probably covering their own interests
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Since you're a coding guru you need to contact all the supercharger companies because that's EXACTLY what's causing the issues with these kits and the main reason Gavin is running a piggyback system on the MMW kit. Most of the main stream supercharger manufacturers will not run a piggyback system since there are other issues that would cause concern with not being fully integrated to keep the engine safe. The coding for these engines wants the car to go into limp home mode once boost is introduced. The N52 engine is different than the M54.
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IIRC when I looked closely at the manifolds of the N52 and M54 I think I remember that the N52 has the injectors that go into the head and the manifold unbolts leaving the injectors in place (like the stage 3 intake conversion). The M54 had the injectors mounted in the manifold. This is a big difference between the two. I almost wanted to get an ESS M54 kit and see just how close it would be to bolt on to the N52. So it needs a new intake manifold mold for the N52. That is doable.
Here is a different kit for an 4.0L inline 6- |
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I do know for a fact though that coding is the hang-up for this kit. All that you say definitely makes sense, but I guess it's up to the companies to invest the time and effort to getting it to work. I remember when the GT-R came out. Everyone said there's no way anyone will be able to break the code and do anything more with these engines. Boy were they wrong!!!
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ESS has already said they are NOT going to produce this kit.
Major opportunity for other manufacturers here.
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