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03-11-2010, 12:34 PM | #156 |
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Cmon guys we STILL need INDEPENDANT 2-3-4 gear datalogs from the following manufacturers FMICS:
-HPF -AA -RPI -VK -Stett -ETS -forge please make sure the tests are done between 58-85 degree ambient temps and at a boost level of 13.5-14.5 psi so we can standardize the testing! log boost, ait and rpm and note ambient temperature at time of test! |
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03-11-2010, 12:35 PM | #158 | |
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Kind of tough to change the weather...
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03-25-2010, 12:59 PM | #163 |
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Redid my test of my ETS FMIC..
2-3-4 gear run @ WOT Running DCI, Catless DP's and exhaust. Ambient Temp: 58 PSi: 14.5 Starting IAT: 73 Ending IAT: 96 Last edited by 335xiRT1; 03-25-2010 at 01:04 PM.. Reason: wrong |
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03-25-2010, 02:45 PM | #164 | |
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I just want to open peoples eyes as to the realities of the FMIC landscape and things to look for in regards to real data vs marketing hype... Interestingly enough i use a very good turbo outlet temp calculator that also generates a FMIC efficiency using data that is provided in this thread that answers your ?'s about starting and ending temps. http://www.stealth316.com/2-turbotemp.htm using this calculator with the provided data we can see how efficient each unit is in a real world situation and is all based in Physics Law(an exact science). heres the data i got using the calculator, feel free to try it yourself its actually very eye opening. When designing a FMIC I use this during prototyping to determine the best balance of internal fin density and charge row/ambient row height as we don't use an "off the shelf" core! Turbo Outlet Temp Calculator inlet temperature-(use the ambient temperature to standardize the test) input pressure-14.5(atmospheric pressure this does not change unless you are at altitude) output pressure-(this is the boost pressure seen prior to the fmic, add pressure drop plus datalogged pressure for this #) compressor efficiency-70%(this can be found by mapping the #'s on a compressor map OR to datalog intercooler inlet temps, lets use 70% to standardize the testing as all are running similar boost levels) Outlet Temp- (this is the temperature leaving the turbo and entering the FMIC) Intercooler Outlet Temperature and Pressure Calculator IC input Temperature-(this is the Outlet Temp from the previous calculation) IC Efficiency-(This is the how efficient the FMIC is in this test, it is also the factor you play with to try and match up to the known plenum temp(ending datalogged ait at the end of the run)) IC Pressure loss-.5 (this is the pressure drop through the core, lets use .5 psi to standardize the test) Ambient Temp-(this is the ambient temp and also the turbo inlet temp) Plenum Temp-(this is the datalogged ait temp at the end of the 2-3-4 gear run) now lets crunch the #'s... HELIX-Intercooler Efficiency 86% through 3 gears Turbo Outlet Temp Calculator inlet temperature-85 input pressure-14.5 output pressure-14 compressor efficiency-70% Outlet Temp- 249 Intercooler Outlet Temperature and Pressure Calculator IC input Temperature-249 IC Pressure loss-.5 Ambient Temp-85 Plenum Temp-108 IC Efficiency-86% AMS-Intercooler Efficiency 79% through 3 gears Turbo Outlet Temp Calculator inlet temperature-58 input pressure-14.5 output pressure-14 compressor efficiency-70% Outlet Temp- 214 Intercooler Outlet Temperature and Pressure Calculator IC input Temperature-214 IC Pressure loss-.5 Ambient Temp-58 Plenum Temp-112 IC Efficiency-79% ETS-Intercooler Efficiency 78% through 3 gears Turbo Outlet Temp Calculator inlet temperature-58 input pressure-14.5 output pressure-14.5 compressor efficiency-70% Outlet Temp- 213 Intercooler Outlet Temperature and Pressure Calculator IC input Temperature-213 IC Pressure loss-.5 Ambient Temp-58 Plenum Temp-93 IC Efficiency-78% SPEARCO/Code 3-Intercooler Efficiency 54% through 3 gears Turbo Outlet Temp Calculator inlet temperature-65 input pressure-14.5 output pressure-14 compressor efficiency-70% Outlet Temp- 223 Intercooler Outlet Temperature and Pressure Calculator IC input Temperature-223 IC Pressure loss-.5 Ambient Temp-65 Plenum Temp-139 IC Efficiency-54% What this data shows is the efficency and also the FMICs ability to thwart heatsoak through 2-3-4 gears, you can also get single gear efficiencies using the data provided Last edited by TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management; 03-25-2010 at 03:22 PM.. |
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03-25-2010, 05:43 PM | #166 |
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No problem and I hope we can get data on all the available FMICs...
we STILL need INDEPENDANT 2-3-4 gear datalogs from the following manufacturers FMICS: -HPF -AA -RPI -VK -Stett -forge please make sure the tests are done between 58-85 degree ambient temps and at a boost level of 13.5-14.5 psi so we can standardize the testing! log boost, ait and rpm and note ambient temperature at time of test! |
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03-25-2010, 05:45 PM | #167 |
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No problem and I hope we can get data on all the available FMICs...
we STILL need INDEPENDANT 2-3-4 gear datalogs from the following manufacturers FMICS: -HPF -AA -RPI -VK -Stett -forge please make sure the tests are done between 58-85 degree ambient temps and at a boost level of 13.5-14.5 psi so we can standardize the testing! log boost, ait and rpm and note ambient temperature at time of test! |
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03-26-2010, 04:33 AM | #169 | |
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input pressure-14.5(atmospheric pressure this does not change unless you are at altitude) output pressure-(this is the boost pressure seen prior to the fmic, add pressure drop plus datalogged pressure for this #) |
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03-26-2010, 05:47 AM | #170 | |
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input pressure-14.5 output pressure-14.5 IC Pressure loss-.5 For the other FMIC this adds up, just for the ETS it doesn't seem to. (Or I am assuming there is a relationship which is not there....) |
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03-26-2010, 07:57 AM | #171 | |
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03-26-2010, 08:00 AM | #172 | |
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04-02-2010, 10:21 AM | #173 |
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Anybody got details on the Agency Power IC?
http://www.jlevistreetwerks.com/p916...duct_info.html One thing I will say is the quote I got (from seller other than ^) is really tempting
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04-02-2010, 04:17 PM | #175 |
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The individual I got the quote from indicated a new core was being used. He also said he would get me details on the unit. Supposedly boltin-notrim.
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04-03-2010, 05:13 PM | #176 |
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C'mon guys its warming up everywhere, we STILL need INDEPENDANT 2-3-4 gear datalogs from the following manufacturers FMICS:
-stock factory intercooler -HPF -AA -RPI -VK -Stett -forge -Agency Power please make sure the tests are done between 58-85 degree ambient temps and at a boost level of 13.5-14.5 psi so we can standardize the testing! log boost, ait and rpm and note ambient temperature at time of test! |
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