[gaza01]

Originally Posted by sheps

Can I make a suggestion?

In no way undermining the OP's idea of an online petition, whilst it might generate a greater level of online interest a petition, will be remarkably easy for BMW to ignore.

If, however, you combine the signing of an electronic petition with a downloadable letter for people to add their name and address to it, spend a quid sending the letter recorded delivery, BMW will be forced to sit up and take notice when they have to employ someone full-time simply to sign for recorded delivery letters.

The petition can be used to give 'the cause' national interest (and use the web to increase its circulation) and use the letters to cause buggeration for BMW.

2,000 names on a piece of paper, especially online won't mean too much to them.
2,000 names on a piece of paper, along with 2,000 individual letters highlighting the same concern will be very difficult to ignore.

I was of the opinion that you could print out the online petition once its all signed up. I've only briefly looked at 2 petition websites but automatically assumed it was printable.
The thing to bear in mind is that I wasn't taking the view point that a mass petition to BMW would trigger any action, I was thinking a mass petition to the media would trigger action - i.e. they be embarrassed into sorting it out.

Notwithstanding the letter idea does sound good...attack from all sides!!!

[IanS100]

Originally Posted by gaza01

Well let see how it goes...no one has rung me back just yet.
Thing is we first need to understand what exactly does Thatcham 1 require for an alarm to achieve that category. If it means no access into the car without the alarm going off then BMW have misrepresented in their sales.

Bearing in mind that the e90 is now an obsolete model, I would think it unlikely that Thatcham could remove/revise a rating in the light of new technology, it was Thatcham 1 when sold new, end of. It doesn't necessarily follow however, that insurance companys will continue to recognise that T1 rating when faced with the the evidence of car theft numbers

[jonl1983]

Following from Thatcham on what constitues a class 1 device

All Thatcham category 1 alarms have basic features like; perimeter detection, ignition detection, passenger compartment movement detection or glass break and inclination detection, high security remotes, audible warning with battery back-up power supply

If that is the case then the BMW is not meeting these requirements as this is how the scum are getting into the cars?!?

[sheps]

Originally Posted by IanS100

Bearing in mind that the e90 is now an obsolete model, I would think it unlikely that Thatcham could remove/revise a rating in the light of new technology, it was Thatcham 1 when sold new, end of. It doesn't necessarily follow however, that insurance companys will continue to recognise that T1 rating when faced with the the evidence of car theft numbers

E91, 2 and 3 are still current.
Not sure if this affects F10/F30?
Outgoing 1-er was affected (as per the, now infamous, 1M gone in 60 seconds) not sure if current 1er is affected?

This problem is far wider than the model-specific E90.

[zltm089]

I'm in...

get the forms out and i'll sign anything..

[IanS100]

Originally Posted by sheps

E91, 2 and 3 are still current.
Not sure if this affects F10/F30?
Outgoing 1-er was affected (as per the, now infamous, 1M gone in 60 seconds) not sure if current 1er is affected?

This problem is far wider than the model-specific E90.

I meant e9x but was also assuming that the e91, 2 & 3 would also now be out of production with new models either released or waiting in the wings

[sheps]

Originally Posted by IanS100

I meant e9x but was also assuming that the e91, 2 & 3 would also now be out of production with new models either released or waiting in the wings

Not sure that's the case; I think E91,92 and 93 still available via factory order. I would imagine that to be the case with the E92 for at least 6 months and at least 12 for the E93 - no replacements available as yet and I can't see BMW leaving themselves with an empty niche, especially ones that sell so well.

[parrp]

Count me in for this, sheps has the idea. If we all send a recorded letter they won't be able to just ignore it.

[Dirty Tool]

I spoke to a BMW tech today who services my car...he said BMW in the process of rolling out a software update that should stop this. He also mentioned he has moved the OBD ports and put an extra fuse in the circuit for a few of his customers.

[yeti racing]

How would you go about getting a software update when your car is no longer in warranty?

[coopersim]

Recall maybe?

[G82Dude]

What is bloody obscene is that the OBD port is alive and active and provides this high level of access and control from an external device WHILST THE ALARM SYSTEM IS ACTIVE. Maybe this is what the software update will resolve. However, completely negligent that this would happen in the first place. Poor design.

And as already observed, is this for all cars irrespective of the warranty situation? BMW should do so as a matter of course to save some face.

[gaza01]

Originally Posted by jonl1983

Following from Thatcham on what constitues a class 1 device

All Thatcham category 1 alarms have basic features like; perimeter detection, ignition detection, passenger compartment movement detection or glass break and inclination detection, high security remotes, audible warning with battery back-up power supply

If that is the case then the BMW is not meeting these requirements as this is how the scum are getting into the cars?!?

where exactly did you get this from exactly...their website?
Nice find in any event. Will prove useful.

[vblanche]

Originally Posted by Frobius

Count me in.

+1

[vblanche]

Originally Posted by sheps

Can I make a suggestion?

In no way undermining the OP's idea of an online petition, whilst it might generate a greater level of online interest a petition, will be remarkably easy for BMW to ignore.

If, however, you combine the signing of an electronic petition with a downloadable letter for people to add their name and address to it, spend a quid sending the letter recorded delivery, BMW will be forced to sit up and take notice when they have to employ someone full-time simply to sign for recorded delivery letters.

The petition can be used to give 'the cause' national interest (and use the web to increase its circulation) and use the letters to cause buggeration for BMW.

2,000 names on a piece of paper, especially online won't mean too much to them.
2,000 names on a piece of paper, along with 2,000 individual letters highlighting the same concern will be very difficult to ignore.

+1

[NavG]

im in

[makkan00]

Count me in as well.

Originally Posted by phil200tdi

Follow BMW on Facebook and twitter. Tag in as many post as possible until their media dept take note and push up the chain.

Also worth posting this in the USA section. They seem to get courts to force BMW NA to take action.

Contact senior BMW execs - get their details through LinkedIn..

Valid points made by Phil.

I guess we should share responsibilities.
One should start with e-petition.
One with paper if require.
One to start on Pistonhead, one on Facebook, and so on.

[fulcrum]

I am in.

[zltm089]

The mods need to get those OBD thefts threads stickied on here!

[Billyray911]

Hope you don't mind,but I've now posted a link to this thread onto the main Pistonheads thread.

[CMOS II]

I'm in! Just come over from Pistonheads.

I have some CCTV also.

[CMOS II]

Also - those of you who are Twitter or Facebook users, @gavinward is getting some stick over this. He is the Media Relations Manager at BMW GB.