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01-02-2013, 11:57 AM | #111 | |
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I wouldn't be suprised it there's a potential 10 sec RB right now just waiting for the right combo of driver, conditions and perfect setup... |
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01-02-2013, 12:04 PM | #112 | |
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01-02-2013, 12:09 PM | #113 |
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That is wht m going to try and do, I will be using 100 meth additive, 80% E85 see wht it can do. I have the differential lock down unit from DEFIV, LSD, Powerflex subframe bushings, BC BR coil-overs, hotchkis sway bars and M3 control arms up front. I think I have the power....traction is more important now.
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01-02-2013, 12:12 PM | #114 | |
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01-02-2013, 12:44 PM | #115 |
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I'm just saying, as soon as the market is big enough (cars are cheap enough) it will happen. The work Vargas is doing right now will put him in a good position to pursue that when the time comes, if he chooses to. If it's done with twins my prediction is that it will be done with custom housings and wheels that are stock-compatible. Look at what FP did with their Green/Red/Black turbos for the 4g63. They made their own stock-compatible housings and wheels once the market was big enough. I'm thinking something similar to that. But in the meantime I look forward to a good Stage 3 solution that will unfortunately sell in limited numbers as Vargas noted.
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01-02-2013, 12:46 PM | #116 |
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01-02-2013, 12:53 PM | #117 | |
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01-02-2013, 01:20 PM | #118 | |
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Here's why I don't think it will happen.. 2001 330's are still 10k . Theses cars will never be cheap for reasons you already stated.. Very modable . I bet you won't be selling your 335 cheap to some 18 y.o. In 5 yrs for 40% of what you paid.. You'll be asking top dollar b/c you know how cool it is. It will be a demand supply thing.. And if by some reason there's a 700hp turbo kit for 5k what about the other maintaince stuff coils , water pumps and other stuff that will break just from being 10yrs old that again will never be that cheap the reason why guys run fox body's and ls1 swaps. Although I'm in agreement that more companies may start severing up n54 needs it will never be cheap just a bit better. Although it seems like there's a ton of n54 cars if you calculated car owners and owners that modify and owners that are willing to break shit. Stg3 turbo owners will still be in the low hundreds of drivers.. Majority of owners will just be replacing there blown ones with a small upgrade.. Just my thoughts man. T |
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01-02-2013, 02:40 PM | #120 | |
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http://techniquetuning.com/e36m3obd1turbo.html The point is a whole car in decent condition can be bought for about the same price as the kit. I know, I still own one (e36 M3), have had it since new. Getting a reliable 400-500WHP out of that car is a 8-12k proposition, not including drivetrain and exhaust and other mods, for a well sorted kit. BTW s52 twin turbos now approaching 1200WHP and 225 MPH standing mile. Outside of eBay kits and hacker stuff e36 kits have stayed about the same price per WHP over the years, but maybe improved in quality and reliability. As the car price plummets. I hope they have bottomed, who knows. I doubt they recover and become collectible like e30 M3's seem to be doing now, as they made a shitload of them. So I doubt N54 kit prices come down a whole lot lower, even though the car may become somewhat cheaper. The basic FFTEC/Vishnu big single kit is comparable in price to the above, yet puts out quite a bit more power. I'd love to see a well-sorted stage 3 twin upgrade for N54 come out. |
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01-02-2013, 02:53 PM | #121 |
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I understand what you're saying, but I think it might be different this time and might pull in a different type of vendor. I say this because the people who have modified BMWs prior to the 335 were BMW people who just wanted the fastest BMW they could build. I expect the 335 (when it gets cheap enough) to pull in people who aren't "BMW people" for the first time, and I consider myself to be on the leading edge of that. I had no desire to own a BMW, but I did want a turbo I6/6MT/AWD 4dr and that led me to the 335. I wouldn't be surprised if thousands of other people who want a lot of horsepower potential and would otherwise drive a muscle car or rally-type car don't end up doing the same thing because it has all the ingredients they are looking for.
The thing most likely to stop them is if they can't be kept on the road at reasonable cost. But the community seems to be near critical mass for having the knowledge commonly available to do fuel pump and water pump and injector swaps without bankrupting the owner the way dealer prices would for a person paying 10k for the car. |
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01-02-2013, 03:17 PM | #123 | |
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I think you missed my point about the 330.. Nice car but nothing to special still commanding a premium , what will be a special car 335 will command a higher premium.. And clapped out or otherwised owners always think its worth more than its. I know little about fox body's and ls1 swaps except they can be made fast easily and cheaply, again just saying there will always be a extra cost to own a BMW always has been always will be.. And I think any Johnny come lately vendors will have a per unit profit point as opposed to a volume thing.. I appreciate the optimistic out look and hope it comes true only time will tell. |
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01-02-2013, 04:05 PM | #126 | |
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I do miss my vdub many a time though..
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01-02-2013, 05:50 PM | #129 |
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This is what I'm questioning, particularly the 2jz. I'm just noting that because of the way BMW arranged their product line, a very large (IMO) number of N54/N55 engines have been build and delivered to the USA. Once the cars are cheap, the crowd could end up being much larger than people are currently anticipating. Maybe I'm jaded in Colorado, but I see a ton of them every day, and most are owned by people who have no emotional attachment to them, are not on any boards, and will be getting rid of them as soon as they have an expensive repair that's not under warranty and something new catches their eye.
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01-02-2013, 06:01 PM | #130 | |
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The simple fact that for $1,500 you can be 400whp+ in a comfortable sleeper will attract a large crowd as prices come down. All those Honda kids who drop $10k into a motor build will sell their rust buckets and cruise in luxury. |
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01-02-2013, 10:18 PM | #131 | |
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01-03-2013, 05:27 AM | #132 | |
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But in reality you need at least a basic tune, bigger IC, integrated meth system, exhaust, etc etc. before you even touch the rest of the car outside of the engine compartment. When I think "kit" it means everything needed to covert stocker inside the EC up to where the downpipes meet stock exhaust, to functional use of extra air capacity without blowing up. No clutch or driveline mods. The e36 turbo kit I posted above is such a kit. A turbo, BOV, and manifold is not a kit. Likewise RB's are not a kit, neither are the coming stage 2/3 Vargas a kit. They are upgrades to one (major) component of an existing system. Upgrades I hope would definitely come in well under 5k. Two really big turbos and a well executed manifold, without fueling, IC, etc. who knows. Two bigger turbos for 911 996TT are not really that expensive, for example. It's all the extra stuff to keep your $$$ german motor from slagging that racks up the major coin. |
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