[Kolyan2k]

Originally Posted by pits200

The point I bring up the coils is because they are much easier to install than to install an LSD on the i.

It's just that people say the xdrive system isn't for performance and Im not claiming that it is superior to the rwd version. But what makes the xdrive not as good of a performer is the vehicle height and not the actual awd system.

This is a never ending argument because there are positives to both side of the argument.

In addition to suspension u forgot extra weight and body roll, and weight destrebution. 200 lbs is like caring a fat chick with you on a front seat.......and she never leaves

[markinva]

for us XI owners, Mike Dushane, C&D VP gave us a little vindication in the comment section. He said:

We drive, test, and compare every vehicle on the market. If we spend our own money on a car (and we do, with no special deals), doesn't that tell you that it really is the best one in the class? I just bought a 2008 335xi coupe (my fourth 3-series). Don't you think the decade of experience I have evaluating vehicles professionally would lead me to the best car for the money? The CTS, A4, and G37 are all great cars, but the 3-series kills all of them on the ride/handling balance, it's got better seats than the CTS, better steering than the A4, and more refinement than the G37. I challenge anyone with significant seat and track time in all of these vehicles to contest that. When the CTS coupe arrives, we'll compare it with the 3-series coupe, and if it's better, we'll say so. I'd love to buy American—just give me a superior product. If we're biased, it's toward buying great vehicles.

Mike Dushane

VP Consumer Brand Product Development

Car and Driver

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t_drive_review

[BTM]

Well VP is a little misleading. VP of Consumer Brand and Product Development - so a C&D VP.

Scroll to the bottom of this page and you will see how extensive the VP level is at Jumpstart Automotive Group.

[markinva]

Originally Posted by BTM

Well VP is a little misleading. VP of Consumer Brand and Product Development - so a C&D VP.

Scroll to the bottom of this page and you will see how extensive the VP level is at Jumpstart Automotive Group.

Pretty much every large corporation has several, if not hundreds of VPs.... I don't care if he was a mere editor. He has plenty of credibility.

[BTM]

I was only being facetious

[IN54NITY]

Originally Posted by k3m0-330i

I'm not lying only tellin the truth. Xi is slow, high as my truck. Even worse with auto. Just get a I so I can light them up. Lol and don't be a pussy and get a real car 335i for the win. I know I have a 330i but driven many 335i and xi

You're right, but next time at the track in your dad's new 335i, please be nice and point the lesbians in the xis past. Now go back to doing your homework, and stop fantasizing about driving your dad's car and warching Beavis and Butthead reruns, so you can put forth a coherent and valid argument to your opinion.

[TheRox]

Originally Posted by ptd23

well im finally about to get a bmw, i recently had a g35 and g37 and i really dont know much about the 335's and i was wondering whats the difference between xi and i? how much am i expected to pay for either one fully loaded?

Please man, you're in Carolina...get a RWD BMW!

AWD is only for the must-have areas (canada, northern US)...where family lives are safer with the added traction.

[TheRox]

You guys are jokes.

The RWD BMW 335 is a much better car than the XI (I have the xi)...esp with sport suspension on the RWD


Thats not the damn point. THe point is, is your family safer with the added traction and loss of some of fantasies about driving your BMW like michael schumacher?

I put family and safety of occupants ahead...yell all you want, but XI and snow tires = win in snowy conditions and blizzards that we face here in the great white north.

BUT

XI + snow tires = vastly inferior performance compared to RWD w. sports suspension

such is life.

[IN54NITY]

Op, here's my story, I got an xi for safety in Colorado's snow and terrain changes - I ~wanted~ just the i - but I've been pleasantly surprised by the car's performance, especially with coilovers on it and camber plates, and good tires. (I made that list above in order of importance.) Since you're in the Carolinas, I would just go with the i and good tires. You definitely need to go to BMW's facility for some HPDE too.

[Kolyan2k]

Originally Posted by TheRox

You guys are jokes.

The RWD BMW 335 is a much better car than the XI (I have the xi)...esp with sport suspension on the RWD


Thats not the damn point. THe point is, is your family safer with the added traction and loss of some of fantasies about driving your BMW like michael schumacher?

I put family and safety of occupants ahead...yell all you want, but XI and snow tires = win in snowy conditions and blizzards that we face here in the great white north.

BUT

XI + snow tires = vastly inferior performance compared to RWD w. sports suspension

such is life.

That is 100% correct

[IN54NITY]

Originally Posted by Kolyan2k

That is 100% correct

Yes, just like this statement is correct:
335i ZSP + snow tires = vastly inferior performance compared to an Acura TSX with high performance summer tires in the summer.

Get back to comparing apples to apples.

[scheherazade]

Originally Posted by Zell

I thought the 335xi has a nasty tendency to understeer compared to the 335i though.

I had an XI with LSD, suspension, lots of front camber, little rear camber, rear toe out - and it would oversteer in all conditions (with and without good rear traction).

An I in stock form understeers when on traction, and oversteers when the rear loses traction.

I could do doughnuts in my XI just fine.

-scheherazade

[Nikolas]

Originally Posted by TheRox

Please man, you're in Carolina...get a RWD BMW!

AWD is only for the must-have areas (canada, northern US)...where family lives are safer with the added traction.

You do realize that parts of California get more snow than most of Canada and much more than the NE of the US, correct?

I live in California and we had over 500 inches of snow last season.

[TheStigsTwin]

Originally Posted by Kolyan2k

Interesting.......they are not comparing 2 cars in the review so this again brings big zero to the whole argument, just like those laptimes....I can find a review on how great honda civic is.....but when compared to 335, civic is not gonna be such a great car after all.....

And review says 335xi has sport suspension....... I thought it does not ?

Um , nit never mentions the sport suspension. And these two sets of quotes are a response to the last line of your post.

[Doctor T]

Originally Posted by TheRox

Please man, you're in Carolina...get a RWD BMW!

AWD is only for the must-have areas (canada, northern US)...where family lives are safer with the added traction.

I hate to say it, but it's people who think that they are safer in AWD vehicles in winter that usually get into accidents. Simple law of inertia states that it takes more effort to stop and/or change directions in heavier vehicles.

[malter2.0]

easy solution. buy M3 which has more true 2WD and RWD dynamics.

[pits200]

Originally Posted by Doctor T

I hate to say it, but it's people who think that they are safer in AWD vehicles in winter that usually get into accidents. Simple law of inertia states that it takes more effort to stop and/or change directions in heavier vehicles.

Hmm, not sure if this is totally correct. So does a semi truck have more of a possibility to slide than a toyota corolla. You're assuming that a slide does occur when a heavier vehicle is less likely to start sliding in the first place given all the same variables.

Weight also helps give the car a chance to not slide and stay planted.

The downward force placed on each tire is greater on a heavier vehicle dependent on the width of the tire. That's why a narrower profile tire performs better in the winter than a wider one.

[Nikolas]

Originally Posted by Doctor T

I hate to say it, but it's people who think that they are safer in AWD vehicles in winter that usually get into accidents. Simple law of inertia states that it takes more effort to stop and/or change directions in heavier vehicles.

Well, living where I do, I can honestly say that AWD is safer in the winter. RWD and you can't move up the hills and you end up being the guy stuck in the middle of the road installing chains. These are the people that cause the accidents around here. Being able to move from a stop is crucial at intersections, starting on inclines and being able to maintain stable straight line speed.

While weight is certainly a factor, 180 lbs on a nearly two ton vehicle makes little to no difference.

[BTM]

Originally Posted by Nikolas

You do realize that parts of California get more snow than most of Canada and much more than the NE of the US, correct?

I live in California and we had over 500 inches of snow last season.

Carolina /= California

[Turbomatic]

Blah blah Blah I!

Blah Blah Blah XI!



I am going back to my beer.

If no one wanted it there would be none made.

[Nikolas]

Originally Posted by BTM

Carolina /= California

Doh! eye surgery sucks!

[335BBS]

Originally Posted by Kolyan2k

why do you think Car and Driver tested 335i (not 335xi) vs S4 ? They said that 335i is a better choice for track because it handles better

XI is a safety feature not performance in ANY way. It can launch faster in less then ideal conditions, its safer in snow (if both have winter tires), and its better and safer in rain. < and all that is not because its AWD, but because 335i doesnt have LSD (which was left out for marketing reasons)

edit: 335i with LSD will leave xi in dust in all conditions

EXACTLY. XI is inclement weather aid while Quattro is a performance tool.