[spirocheter]

Sorry, (enjoyed the arguments) but going back to the original video, it is not really so much interesting as odd. I would expect the stock 335i to be slightly ahead of the stock 335d. Being a scientist, it is difficult coming to any conclusions though watching videos (though I still enjoy watching them). There is quite a bit of variability between stock cars performance stats, then there the tyres, the drivers ability, the timing on a particular run, the weight of passengers ... really quite hard to compare.

I love both cars, though still personally prefer the diesel and I concede it doesn't sound as good (it still sounds pretty good), and it is not much cheaper to run. I actually prefer the auto box now most of the time (used to be an avid manual fan)

In fact, my wife doesn't notice quite how hard I'm accelerating because the sound isn't so great (and the power delivery so smooth). My last 335d was tuned, though I'm enjoying the balanced attributes of the stock car - particularly on wet slippery roads. On twisty roads A roads which is where I drive most, I rarely want more.

[m1bjr]

Originally Posted by spirocheter

Sorry, (enjoyed the arguments) but going back to the original video, it is not really so much interesting as odd. I would expect the stock 335i to be slightly ahead of the stock 335d. Being a scientist, it is difficult coming to any conclusions though watching videos (though I still enjoy watching them). There is quite a bit of variability between stock cars performance stats, then there the tyres, the drivers ability, the timing on a particular run, the weight of passengers ... really quite hard to compare.

I love both cars, though still personally prefer the diesel and I concede it doesn't sound as good (it still sounds pretty good), and it is not much cheaper to run. I actually prefer the auto box now most of the time (used to be an avid manual fan)

In fact, my wife doesn't notice quite how hard I'm accelerating because the sound isn't so great (and the power delivery so smooth). My last 335d was tuned, though I'm enjoying the balanced attributes of the stock car - particularly on wet slippery roads. On twisty roads A roads which is where I drive most, I rarely want more.

I always want more.

And with a JB (or similar implementations for Ds) its a second to change to oem map, best of both worlds.

[Subzero2003]

Originally Posted by dopper99

Dont forget the diesel pisses all over the petrol torque-wise. That has to account for something. If it was 340bhp petrol against a 380bhp petrol with proportionally similar torque, now that would be a different matter.

But torque at the wheels is what matters, torque at the engine means nothing. That's all diesel fanboys ever rage on about - "torque".

The reason why diesels have seemingly high engine "torque" is because they don't rev highly. Whereas petrols have less "engine torque" but because they rev higher, they more than make up for this. FWIW, an evolve'd 335i produces 510nm engine torque, whereas a 335d produces some engine 700nm.

If it was all about torque, why don't you find 115bhp 1.9 tdi Golf's destroying 200bhp Honda Civic Type R's? I'll tell you why - because the CTR can rev much higher, meaning that what comparatively small engine torque it makes, is multiplied much much more by the fact it rev's highly.

F1 car's have low engine torque as well, but because they rev to 17,000 rpm it is irrelevant.

It's about time that diesel owners actually accepted that most of the time, their cars don't perform as highly as their petrol counterparts, and that they accepted this drop in performance as a compromise of getting higher MPG's.

Further reading: http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing...vs+power%3F%3F

[willhollin]

Don't quote a Pistonheads thread on here FFS!

[Subzero2003]

Originally Posted by willhollin

Don't quote a Pistonheads thread on here FFS!

Uh oh, have i just committed a massive faux pas or something?

[- Paul -]

I like Petrol..

[- Paul -]

but I also like Diesel....

[- Paul -]

but which is better? - only one way to find out...

[- Paul -]

Fiiiigggghhhttttt!!!

[CarAbuser]

They are very evenly matched, the major difference is depreciation.
The diesel is a much better buy new as it will hold its value. As a second-hand purchase the petrol makes a lot more sense as they are dirt cheap.

I would still take a 300d over both. The economy figures from the new 245 engine are leagues ahead of the old lump they still put in the 335d.

[Dele Z.]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

I was advised to lower the back seats to lower the centre of gravity and to put some more weight on the rears.

Dude, seriously

[dxb335d]

Originally Posted by Dele Z.

Dude, seriously

That's what I thought when the British drag racing champion suggested it to me. But you have got to try these things eh!!

Suffice to say it didn't make a jot of difference.

Sorta makes sense with your E93 though. Surely that heavy metal roof would be better folded back in the boot for traction that high up when it's closed!!! (shame the pod won't allow verts to run naked) But then again, up at high speed she wont be so aerodynamic eh.

See you at the pod darlin'

[Dele Z.]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

That's what I thought when the British drag racing champion suggested it to me. But you have got to try these things eh!!

Suffice to say it didn't make a jot of difference.

Sorta makes sense with your E93 though. Surely that heavy metal roof would be better folded back in the boot for traction that high up when it's closed!!! (shame the pod won't allow verts to run naked) But then again, up at high speed she wont be so aerodynamic eh.

See you at the pod darlin'

Tbh i agree with the E93's roof, i would of thought that would help and i was going to try that, but i guess not by your comment about them not running roofless

[dxb335d]

Yeah I know, they don't allow it unfortunately. Unless they have relaxed the rules a little.

Also remember to bring a lid if you think your going to trap over 110mph.

[Dele Z.]

Dont think theres any danger in that, my first time

[dxb335d]

Tbh your likely to be within 1-2 mph of your best mph whatever the time.

What HP you running??

[phil200tdi]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Yeah I know, they don't allow it unfortunately. Unless they have relaxed the rules a little.

Also remember to bring a lid if you think your going to trap over 110mph.

Yep I need to find a skid lid from somewhere.

Unless anyone has a spare helmet?

[Dele Z.]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Tbh your likely to be within 1-2 mph of your best mph whatever the time.

What HP you running??

Stock, but i might get a cheeky Evolve map for the occasion

[dopper99]

Originally Posted by Subzero2003

But torque at the wheels is what matters, torque at the engine means nothing. That's all diesel fanboys ever rage on about - "torque".

The reason why diesels have seemingly high engine "torque" is because they don't rev highly. Whereas petrols have less "engine torque" but because they rev higher, they more than make up for this. FWIW, an evolve'd 335i produces 510nm engine torque, whereas a 335d produces some engine 700nm.

If it was all about torque, why don't you find 115bhp 1.9 tdi Golf's destroying 200bhp Honda Civic Type R's? I'll tell you why - because the CTR can rev much higher, meaning that what comparatively small engine torque it makes, is multiplied much much more by the fact it rev's highly.

F1 car's have low engine torque as well, but because they rev to 17,000 rpm it is irrelevant.

It's about time that diesel owners actually accepted that most of the time, their cars don't perform as highly as their petrol counterparts, and that they accepted this drop in performance as a compromise of getting higher MPG's.

Further reading: http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing...vs+power%3F%3F

These comments are floored on so many levels I aint even gonna bother.
So you are basing a cars performance solely on its ability to rev high? Funny as fook.

[pjs]

So what's quickest then, a 335d or a 335i?

[Kerr]

Originally Posted by pjs

So what's quickest then, a 335d or a 335i?

You will get good ones and bad ones, but nothing will convince me against that a 335i is slightly faster in general.

It seems standard and tuned it's a couple of tenths and a few MPH up over the quarter mile.

Tested times for the 335i have 0-100mph in mid 12s where 335d it normally quoted mid 13s.

Bmw quote the 335i quicker too.

[jimmylad]

Originally Posted by dopper99

These comments are floored on so many levels I aint even gonna bother.
So you are basing a cars performance solely on its ability to rev high? Funny as fook.

Couldnt agree more......