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10-17-2010, 08:58 AM | #155 | |
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But why are they light years away from X-Drive??? I seriously have not heard a direct answer as to why they are so much better. I'm not claiming X-Drive is the best but factual information as to why it is so far behind would be great to support your argument, don't you think. That's like me saying that Yankees are so much better than the Red Sox but not giving any backup as to why this is so. |
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10-17-2010, 10:28 AM | #157 |
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the BMW xDrive system uses a set of computerized wet clutch packs to route power. Although this system is still a "reactive" system, it transfers power much more rapidly and effectively than the MB system. BMW uses this system to preserve the RWD-like driving dynamic of their vehicles in dry conditions. The Audi quattro IV system uses a Torsen center differential, which is a mechanical gear set that normally sends power 50-50 front and rear but can "sense" slippage and re-route power to the other end. (I have no idea how it manages this feat) This is entirely mechanical and happens in real time, so there is no computer feedback loop involved as with the other systems. The front and rear differentials are open and use the brakes to route power side to side like the MB system. |
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10-17-2010, 12:26 PM | #158 | |
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10-17-2010, 04:14 PM | #159 | |
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Then there is new Sport Torque Vectoring Quattro system. And after this there is Generation 6 Quattro thats even more advanced. (I am not sure if its already in production) |
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10-17-2010, 04:18 PM | #160 | |
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"BMW xDrive system uses a set of computerized wet clutch packs to route power" Mitsubishi uses advanced Torque Vectoring system designed for racing. STI also uses fully mechanical system with THREE LSDs and center diff is half-electronic and can be controlled from inside the car I like this vid that kinda shows how capable awd in Mitsubishi is: Last edited by Kolyan2k; 10-17-2010 at 05:10 PM.. |
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10-18-2010, 10:32 AM | #161 |
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The xi does not come with sport suspension or 19" wheels. The 2 cars are very different.
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10-18-2010, 10:37 AM | #162 | |
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It all has to do with how power is distributed . x drive is not available with sport suspension or 19" wheels either. |
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10-18-2010, 10:46 AM | #163 | |
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You people are so open minded. Unbelievable. |
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10-18-2010, 10:54 AM | #164 | |
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http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=445487 And I understand the source of this article and all, however, it does contain a good number of facts and a number of people on here seem to rely on "just check BMW's website" and "I tend to believe what professionals tell me as they're, well, professionals (C&D article, etc)" as their evidence that xDrive provides no performance enhancements and just plain sucks. |
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10-21-2010, 12:19 PM | #166 | |
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10-21-2010, 01:01 PM | #168 |
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10-21-2010, 04:12 PM | #169 |
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What I am most curious of is how does a 335i with coilovers stack up against a 335xi with the same coilovers. Ex. 335i w/ KWv1 vs. 335xi w/ KWv1. This is a more equal test. I feel like my 335xi with the coils feels leaps and bounds better than my car with stock suspension. Even lowered I still got through the Northeast blizzard last winter in 10" inches of snow driving from halfway through Long Island to Brooklyn on the highways with Yokohama Advan S4 A/S tires. Getting up those uphills doing 5 mph would not have been so easy in the 335i.
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10-21-2010, 09:09 PM | #170 | |
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Kolyan2K and Leaker, feel free to speak up. Let's hear what you have to say. You had bullshit arguments from the beginning and have been silent since. |
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10-22-2010, 08:14 AM | #171 |
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Just go and drive the two cars. Car and Driver tested the S4 against the 335 rwd because against the xi would not have been a fair fight. I'm in Canada and have had 5 Audis (quattro) and love the winter traction. 3 have been S cars and were amazing. My B7 S4 had the V8 and the new S4, while faster, has lost its "edge". I don't like the appearance and it sounds terrible compared to my V8. I decided a change was in order and thats how I ended up with e92 335. Drove an M package 335 e92 xi and even the salesman agreed that it was an oxymoron. There is no bullshit argument here. If you like driving quickly and track your car occasionally then, in my opinion, there is no comparison.
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10-22-2010, 08:17 AM | #172 | |
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The only comment I can think of is that out of 25 years of development, only the last generation of xdrive is good, before xdrive was junk (I already said this before) |
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10-22-2010, 08:26 AM | #173 | |
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This does in fact give some insight as to what the system was designed to do, which you have stated a great number of times that it was strictly for inclement weather and in no way performance related. |
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10-22-2010, 08:27 AM | #174 | |
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You'll never hear me arguing that the stock suspension on an xDrive is as good as RWD sport package. I'm commenting specifically on the xDrive component of the car which has been the focus of the conversation. |
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10-22-2010, 08:35 AM | #175 |
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The only downfall to x-drive anyone has been able to say with proof is the higher, slightly-softer suspension. If you even out the suspension levels then and only then can you compare the two-different drive systems.
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10-22-2010, 09:31 AM | #176 | |
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I DO NOT rely on myself, but I DO trust professional review from Car and Driver which stated that 335i is a better performance car, and they also state WHY it is so. I ALSO trust BMW M engineers which decided to make M3 RWD, and NOT X-drive. < I believe there is a reason for that. |
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