[carve]

Good- that 3.2 was expensive, burned a lot more gas, had less torque, and not much more power than the turbo 2.0 TFSI. All the car mags say there's really no point in getting the 3.2.

I think the A4 & 5 are the best looking "attainable & practical" cars on the road today, and you can generally get a much better deal on them than a 3. They also, according to informedforlife.org, have damn near the best overall safety of any vehicle on the road right now. Consumer reports gives the 08s perfect reliablility scores, although the new 09 scores aren't out yet, and the older A4 scores are terrible. The new 2009+ B8-chassis A4 does not share a platform with a volkswagon.


But yeah...the 2.0 TFSI is a great based engine, but they needed a better 6 and a diesel. I guess if they price the S4 right it can take over for the 6.

[rubber_ducky]

Originally Posted by jlstyle

LOL. What a true fanboy....
Don't think you are all that with your BMW.
This is why people with BMW are thought to be morons.
BMW isn't all that better than other cars just because you own it.

Performance wise, different thing for different people, but design wise, Audi > BMW all day long.

^ What he said. Especially the fanboy bit and how it leads to the negative stereotypes already associated with BMW drivers.

[hanmaas]

Originally Posted by jlstyle

but design wise, Audi > BMW all day long.

?

[Ramos]

Originally Posted by jlstyle

LOL. What a true fanboy....
Don't think you are all that with your BMW.
This is why people with BMW are thought to be morons.
BMW isn't all that better than other cars just because you own it.

Performance wise, different thing for different people, but design wise, Audi > BMW all day long.

Trust me, I don't think I am all that at all....
When people ask me what I drive, I never even say the words BMW, I just say a 3 Series... I just tend to agree with Jeremy Clarkson that Audi drivers in general think they are all that

Q for you, why the heck are you driving a BMW, you should go trade it in immediately for an Audi if you prefer the Audi all day long

[gqmd]

Originally Posted by Ramos

I have no idea how the A4 is outselling the 3 series in Europe? Are those Europeans on crack or something? I mean you can't even tell the A4 from a Passat from the side view... They're not even trying anymore

Same reason why I have no idea why LEXUS had outsold BMW in the US for the last 10 years or more...Are us Americans "ON CRACK" or something?

[dmz]

No embarrassment here. We all love our aftermarket leather seats!

Originally Posted by kjrulz

WRONG!

335's don't even come with real leather stock...embarrassment.

[DrGP]

Originally Posted by Ramos

Trust me, I don't think I am all that at all....
When people ask me what I drive, I never even say the words BMW, I just say a 3 Series... I just tend to agree with Jeremy Clarkson that Audi drivers in general think they are all that

Q for you, why the heck are you driving a BMW, you should go trade it in immediately for an Audi if you prefer the Audi all day long

You do realise that many Audi drivers think the same about BMW drivers. The real problem currently associated with Audis is that their lease rates are really high and BMWs lease rates are remarkably low. BMW wants to sell(lease) a large number of cars where Audi want to make a larger profit/unit and not subsidize the leasing.

[Ramos]

Originally Posted by DrGP

You do realise that many Audi drivers think the same about BMW drivers.

I'm sure they do, and I am also sure they are more brand loyal...
This thread has opened my eyes to how little brand loyalty some of you have.. No wonder I love reading the Roundel magazine... Real BMW enthousiats who care about heritage and the history of the brand.

[amlebede]

I would say the 330 and S4 are pretty comparable cars.

[Verrückt]

Originally Posted by amlebede

I would say the 330 and S4 are pretty comparable cars.

Nevermind that the S4 beats the 335i in every performance measurement, right?

That makes sense!

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/v...__BMW_335i.pdf

[jlstyle]

Originally Posted by Ramos

Q for you, why the heck are you driving a BMW, you should go trade it in immediately for an Audi if you prefer the Audi all day long

Just because I prefer the design over BMW, it doesn't mean I need to trade it. Make some sense instead of throwing stupid quetions.

I prefer 335's performance over A5 and if I could afford S5 with similar options in my 335i comfortably, S5 would have been my ride.
V8's grunt, quattro, light years ahead interior, sleeker exterior. And please don't reply with that 335 could beat S5 on the track because it doesn't mean much unless you are buying the car for the track.

[dpwr]

Originally Posted by cchan21

I own an A4. 2.0

To say this car does not compete w/ the 328 is ridiculous. The car may not be as fast as the 3 series but it does compare. The audi interiors are higher class and the quattro is a whole level against the beamer xdrive.

I've heard rumors of Beemers fanboys that put themselves all mighty and such but i thought it was just audi fanboys saying it. After reading some posts, i'm not so sure that it's only audi fanboys saying the stereotype.

My next car was going to be a 335 but I might have to reconsider.

P.s. audi's are made in the same platform as Lambos as well. Since audi = vw does it also = lambo?

i don't get people like this... so you will change your whole car buying decision based on what one person said something in this thread ? so if I say that your house is garbage you will go ahead and move to a new one ?

[rubber_ducky]

Originally Posted by Ramos

I'm sure they do, and I am also sure they are more brand loyal...
This thread has opened my eyes to how little brand loyalty some of you have.. No wonder I love reading the Roundel magazine... Real BMW enthousiats who care about heritage and the history of the brand.

Psssst... you can care about the history & heritage of the brand of car you own without sh*tting on other brands.

Blind brand loyalty doesn't make one more of an enthusiast than someone who appreciates multiple brands. You appear to be a rabid BMW enthusiast while many here are automotive enthusiasts who happen to drive bmws.

[amlebede]

The only Audi I am considering at the moment is the RS4.

[Ramos]

Originally Posted by rubber_ducky

Psssst... you can care about the history & heritage of the brand of car you own without sh*tting on other brands.

Blind brand loyalty doesn't make one more of an enthusiast than someone who appreciates multiple brands. You appear to be a rabid BMW enthusiast while many here are automotive enthusiasts who happen to drive bmws.

Yes and let me expain why... I have owned 8 cars prior to the BMW (Hondas, Nissans, Infiniti, Mitsibushi) and never got why I would spend more on a BMW for less HP and less options until I drove one. Today I am very involved with the BMW community, the BMW CCA, I have made friends at autocrosses and HPDE events and have learned so much about the heritage and culture and maitenanance and tuning and after market of these cars... So yes I have become more of a BMW enthousiat and just a car enthousiast, not willing to give all that up for anything... So i will always have at least one BMW, hopefully I can have enough money soon to afford a second car, and maybe that would be something else for variety.

[Indy335iCp]

Originally Posted by amlebede

I would say the 330 and S4 are pretty comparable cars.

The 330? I would say you're on crack.

[stickypaws]

Too much talk here about stereotypes, emotional crap, and other intangibles.

Compare on specs, practicality, price, function, etc.. instead of emotion. If you separate out all the chaff on this thread, there's very little substance left.

If everybody would realize that these are just cars built by a big corporation and not your mama, then we'd get somewhere. Fanboyism blinds reality and destroys positive criticism. Like those right wing nutball patriots.

Anyway, I thought it's cars and not egos that are being discussed.

So quiet down you Audi and BMW fanboys and let's just get the facts ma'am.

btw, who cares what Clarkson says. Top Gear is only worth watching for the interaction between the three hosts and not for any auto info. It's an entertainment show (and a very good one.)

[mylydiamy]

Originally Posted by A418t81

The new S4 will be priced from about $46k, and will be quite nicely loaded for about $50k. Apparently you haven't seen all the magazine tests...the S4 bests the 335 in acceleration, braking, dynamics, and yes, even the engine is said to be better in stock form. In the latest rag in an Aussie mag, the S4 lapped their test track .7 sec behind the E92 M3. Regardless, the new S4 is beating the 335 in every single magazine test.

Software modification alone takes the new S4 to around 430 crank hp. They are no joke.

Finally, BMW interiors are downright low-rent compared to Audi who sets the benchmark.

++++1. Couldn't aggree more

[kjrulz]

Originally Posted by Ramos

I'm sure they do, and I am also sure they are more brand loyal...
This thread has opened my eyes to how little brand loyalty some of you have.. No wonder I love reading the Roundel magazine... Real BMW enthousiats who care about heritage and the history of the brand.

You're retarded.

[Ramos]

Originally Posted by kjrulz

You're retarded.

And you're a F'in Asshole

[roozie2001]

Originally Posted by Verrückt

The 2010 S4 doesn't have a V8. It's got a supercharged V6 that walks a 335i all day long. Tune only S4's are 430+ hp, so it can compete with bolt-ons too.

Actually, it could turn out to be a better tuner car than the 335i. It's got a stronger closed deck block with forged internals from the V10 twin turbo RS6. You guys have an open deck block with cast internals.

Are you saying when the pricing is announced at mid 40's you'll be trading your BMW in?

my car is a lease and i can turn my lease in January 2011. If what you say is true which by then will be apparent cuz guys like APR, GIAC, REVO will all jump on the car and the Audi is putting down 430 which im guessing is at the crank right?? which is around 350 wheel Hp give or take 10 hp? isnt that what an agressive tune only 335 does.

im no fanboy. ive owned 1 audi and 2 bmws. so far the 335 has been my favorite of the three. If the car is nicely priced and flatout a BETTER car than the M3. then i'll buy the Audi cuz my plans where to pickup the next Generation M3 with the Turbo charged V6 cuz thats due out sometime in 2012 right? Im gonna look at the Rs4 as well if it comes to the states. Im not gonna sell myself short.

so far to me when it comes to drivability BMW>audi but looks and style its ALL audi. Either way competition breeds excellence. So if audi raises the bar then BMW must do the same to stay competitive.

[ragingclue]

Right now, with comparable amenities and prospective pricing, the S4/S5 and 335 will be relatively close (leather/wheels/quattro standard), while the Audi edges out the BMW in terms of interior design, performance, and tuning potential.

The question isn't how much more will the S4/5 cost than the 335; it's "Is it worth that much more?". My open block, cast internals, wheezing mini-snails, rattling wastegates, and HPFP say it's quite possible. I do love my 335, but I feel after the new S4/5 is out, as long as Audi hasn't priced themselves out of it again, BMW will be the ones playing catch-up here.