E90Post
 


The Tire Rack
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Powertrain and Drivetrain Discussions > N54 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications - 335i > ... is this turbo lag ?



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      10-08-2008, 06:09 PM   #1
Potty_Pants
Colonel
Potty_Pants's Avatar
United_States
66
Rep
2,189
Posts

Drives: 2012 Genesis Sedan Rspec
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Southern NJ

iTrader: (0)

... is this turbo lag ?

Hi guys,

while romping on my car in mexico

(this happened twice so far)

1st gear full throttle (full thrust as expected)
clutch shift to 2nd quickly
2nd gear full throttle (full thrust as expected)
clutch shift to 3rd apparently slowly
3rd gear full throttle it appeared to bog down for a second or two before
the power was built up.

When i first experienced this I thought it was a software bug or a confused component the next time i experienced it I get the feeling that I let off the throttle for 200% more time then i normally do and this is what happens.

am i right ?

thanks

ppp
__________________
Olds Starfire > Chevy Malibu > Isuzu I-mark RS & Honda Magna 500 > Grand Am GT & YSR50 > Nissan Maxima & Ninja 750 > X-Wife > Hyundai Excel > Honda Prelude > Honda Accord > Honda Prelude & Ninja 250> Infiniti G35 > E90 335i > Hyundai Genesis Rspec, Hyunadai Sonata > Kia Sorento > Honda CRV-EX
Appreciate 0
      10-08-2008, 06:26 PM   #2
nicknaz
Lieutenant General
nicknaz's Avatar
3187
Rep
10,509
Posts

Drives: C6Z
Join Date: May 2008
Location: NorCal

iTrader: (0)

try it again with the traction controls all the way off. you might have been shifting hard enough that you would have chirped the tires on a car with no traction control, but instead the TC cuts power. i noticed that sometimes the car will cut power a little bit without the light going on in the dashboard

You pretty much don't get turbo lag in a stock production car. most of the time when people talk about 'turbo lag' it it really that the car is below the 'boost threshold'. 'turbo lag' is when you hit the gas and the turbo takes time to spin up and pressurize the manifold. A great example of this is a modified 2.0L WRX with a huge turbo. hit the gas.. nothing nothing warp speed
Appreciate 0
      10-08-2008, 06:29 PM   #3
Potty_Pants
Colonel
Potty_Pants's Avatar
United_States
66
Rep
2,189
Posts

Drives: 2012 Genesis Sedan Rspec
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Southern NJ

iTrader: (0)

I did have DSC off. I'll try the other next time

thanks for the tip

ppp
__________________
Olds Starfire > Chevy Malibu > Isuzu I-mark RS & Honda Magna 500 > Grand Am GT & YSR50 > Nissan Maxima & Ninja 750 > X-Wife > Hyundai Excel > Honda Prelude > Honda Accord > Honda Prelude & Ninja 250> Infiniti G35 > E90 335i > Hyundai Genesis Rspec, Hyunadai Sonata > Kia Sorento > Honda CRV-EX
Appreciate 0
      10-08-2008, 06:33 PM   #4
nicknaz
Lieutenant General
nicknaz's Avatar
3187
Rep
10,509
Posts

Drives: C6Z
Join Date: May 2008
Location: NorCal

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Potty_Pants View Post
I did have DSC off. I'll try the other next time

thanks for the tip

ppp
DTC mode just turns off the yaw sensors.. it will still brake the wheel/cut power to prevent wheelspin..
Appreciate 0
      10-08-2008, 06:50 PM   #5
Hoothout
Colonel
Hoothout's Avatar
United_States
59
Rep
2,799
Posts

Drives: 2008 BMW E92 328i
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Brentwood, TN

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 e92 328i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Nazareno View Post
DTC mode just turns off the yaw sensors.. it will still brake the wheel/cut power to prevent wheelspin..
ya if you dont know...hold the dtc button down to acquire dsc haha
__________________
2008 SG E92 328i
iDrive,Premium Pkg,Sport Pkg,Cold Weather pkg,Black Dakota Leather,GP Thunder 8500k cornering,drl,and foglights, ,Blacked Out Grills,Painted Reflectors,Shadowline Emblems,Hardwired Beltronics V-995, AFE Intake, Muffler Delete, Berger tune
Appreciate 0
      10-08-2008, 07:24 PM   #6
radix
you know he kills little girls like you
radix's Avatar
No_Country
388
Rep
892
Posts

Drives: -
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: -

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by PaCman328 View Post
ya if you dont know...hold the dtc button down to acquire dsc haha

No, holding the DTC button down turns off all electronic assistance, neither DTC nor DSC will be active.
Appreciate 0
      10-09-2008, 07:05 AM   #7
smallseafishie
Colonel
109
Rep
2,017
Posts

Drives: AW 07 e92 335i + AW 11 X5 35d
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Atlanta GA

iTrader: (13)

Garage List
2007 E92 335i  [0.00]
maybe you switched out of second too fast and was at too low of a RPM for third gear???

I know it's noobie mistake... but I just had to wonder....

Appreciate 0
      10-09-2008, 08:43 AM   #8
Crisp
Lieutenant Colonel
Crisp's Avatar
Albania
420
Rep
1,779
Posts

Drives: F95 X5M
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: NYC

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Potty_Pants View Post
Hi guys,

while romping on my car in mexico

(this happened twice so far)

1st gear full throttle (full thrust as expected)
clutch shift to 2nd quickly
2nd gear full throttle (full thrust as expected)
clutch shift to 3rd apparently slowly
3rd gear full throttle it appeared to bog down for a second or two before
the power was built up.

When i first experienced this I thought it was a software bug or a confused component the next time i experienced it I get the feeling that I let off the throttle for 200% more time then i normally do and this is what happens.

am i right ?

thanks

ppp

When you shifted from 2nd to 3rd, what was your RPM in 2nd, and what was the RPM after you shifted to 3rd?
Maybe you let the clutch out when the RPM was too high...the clutch slipped, then gripped and caused the feeling of power loss, then build up for power after it gripped and started pulling.
__________________
Current F95 X5M; E60 M5 6spd; Mclaren 570s; Aston Martin Vantage; Ferrari FF
Appreciate 0
      10-10-2008, 08:39 AM   #9
Potty_Pants
Colonel
Potty_Pants's Avatar
United_States
66
Rep
2,189
Posts

Drives: 2012 Genesis Sedan Rspec
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Southern NJ

iTrader: (0)

Thanks for the responses guys most were quite plausible...

The clutch transfer was fine, I know i delayed the switch from gears from 2nd-3rd.

The RPM of 2nd gear was around 6k when i switched to 3rd however the rpms did drop more then normally as compared to 1st to 2nd (my fault). it just didnt seem to recover.

DSC and DTC aside /my mind is fried im married and cant think straight, so cut me some slack

I think Nick is probably correct, if i were to disable all control nannies I believe it will be fine. I tried the similar gear changes with all nannies off and it responded fine . Again this was only one test and additional would be necessary to confirm.

Please note I dont recall ever seeing any flashing traction lights on my dash when i first recorded the concern. *shrug*

Let me put you guys at rest, I've read the stories and know the power of the car, I'm not going to be riding with it off , i dont intend to be another oops rode over a curb, ooops hit a pole, oops oops oops.
__________________
Olds Starfire > Chevy Malibu > Isuzu I-mark RS & Honda Magna 500 > Grand Am GT & YSR50 > Nissan Maxima & Ninja 750 > X-Wife > Hyundai Excel > Honda Prelude > Honda Accord > Honda Prelude & Ninja 250> Infiniti G35 > E90 335i > Hyundai Genesis Rspec, Hyunadai Sonata > Kia Sorento > Honda CRV-EX
Appreciate 0
      10-10-2008, 04:06 PM   #10
darkphantom
Banned
595
Rep
5,946
Posts

Drives: E93 335i
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The place for Bimmers

iTrader: (4)

^do another run and tell us how it goes....generally I haven't reported seeing any lag at all, even though I have a 6AT.

Turbo lag would be something those TT supras running 25+psi get...or if you're running a single turbo pushing upwards of 15-20+ psi...
Appreciate 0
      10-11-2008, 12:38 PM   #11
Dr_Dirt
Major
Dr_Dirt's Avatar
United_States
62
Rep
1,476
Posts

Drives: E90 335i 6AT
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: DFW

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crisp View Post
When you shifted from 2nd to 3rd, what was your RPM in 2nd, and what was the RPM after you shifted to 3rd?
Maybe you let the clutch out when the RPM was too high...the clutch slipped, then gripped and caused the feeling of power loss, then build up for power after it gripped and started pulling.
This seems plausible,
To the OP if you experience the slippage again pull over, get out and see if you can smell anything burnt it might be your clutch.
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:07 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST