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02-06-2013, 04:11 AM | #1 |
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Bye Bye 335i
Hello M135i :-)
Just ordered one of these... Can't wait! (Delivery due beginning May) 5 door M135i in Alpine white Manual 6sp Driver comfort package Park Distance Control (PDC), front and rear Visibility package Media package - BMW Professional Multimedia 609 Navigation-system Professional BMW Assist BMW Assist online portal Enhanced Bluetooth functionality incl. BMW Assist with USB audio interface Adaptive M Sport suspension Ext. mirrors - folding, auto dimming Elec Fr Seats + Driver Memory Lumbar support, driver and front pass. Extended storage Seat heating, front High-gloss Black interior trim finisher Headlight wash Harman Kardon - Hi-Fi Telephone USB audio interface BMW Apps interface Black panel display, full 5 year / 60k service pack As much as I've enjoyed the 335i, it's time to part company. Having owned it for nearly 6 years now I fancy something else and the M135 ticks all of my boxes! Test drove the Auto which is very very good, but in the end decided that I would miss the interaction with a stick. Also looking forward to a decent audio system having put up with the s#%t standard system for all this time! Anyone else made/making the move?
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02-06-2013, 04:32 AM | #2 |
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Congrats, awesome car. I was looking up til last week, when I managed a drive in a manual car with adaptive dampers. The adaptive is an improvement over the standard set-up, but still a tad firm for my liking. It does suit that type of car though to be fair.
I didn't get on with the manual gearbox, The throws were too long IMO and it just wasn't a match for the wonderful 8 speed auto. I bet you can't wait |
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02-06-2013, 04:46 AM | #3 |
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Really can't wait!!
Not test drove the manual but I'm sure if they are too long nothing that a short shift performance upgrade can't fix :-)
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02-06-2013, 04:48 AM | #4 |
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02-06-2013, 05:24 AM | #5 |
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+1!!! But the 6MT is imho a very good shift. You won't be dissapointed.
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02-06-2013, 05:35 AM | #7 |
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Congrats, I do like the M135i. I'm sure you wont be dissapointed.
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02-06-2013, 05:40 AM | #8 | |
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R32 Cayman S 135i although not too bad after a short shifter was fitted. E92 M3 horrible 1st to 2nd change, well documented on M3 forums. I just wouldn't take the change again. too much displeasure at stake. I found myself tuning into the problem and not enjoying the drive. |
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02-06-2013, 06:19 AM | #9 | |
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Shifting down into 1st is the biggest pain on the manual, say when approaching a slowish roundabout where you might need that bit of extra power. You have to blip the throttle to ~3k revs else you're going to be juddering all over the place when the clutch engages. On the plus side you can get to ~70mph in 2nd! I think there is a reason yanks have driven autos for so long, they have a history of large engined cars, even for a "run around". Manuals just don't feel right with so much torque imo. |
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02-06-2013, 06:42 AM | #10 | |
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I took this approach as the miles I do would make a M135i expensive to run and worth very little after 3 years. Still, looking forward to picking it up. Good luck with yours, it's going to be a corker!! :-) D |
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02-06-2013, 06:44 AM | #11 | |
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02-06-2013, 07:11 AM | #12 | |
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Nice car OP - you'll love the manual, even a bad manual is better than an auto
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I think what you mean is a larger engines / rear wheel drive shows up poor rev matching due to its high rotating inertia and the lacking rear grip on engine breaking (we all do it ), whereas smaller engines (mainly FWD) just get dragged up the revs when you drop the clutch without rev-matching enough. |
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02-06-2013, 07:24 AM | #13 |
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[Nice car OP - you'll love the manual, even a bad manual is better than an auto
You need to try a modern BMW. Last edited by creepy coupe; 02-06-2013 at 10:11 AM.. |
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02-06-2013, 08:14 AM | #14 |
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1st->2nd is a bitch with that gearbox. Being at the right revs helps but doesn't solve it, and in a quick car matching the revs can as you said Del mean you're making far more progress than you want to be or else driving like a kangaroo.
This is of course not something specific to any of the cars the Zf 6MT is fitted to. It's a characteristic of the box itself. Even my 320d was very bad for it with a meagre 200bhp, just the affect was a bit less noticable that way... But I'd drive another 6 speed manual BM for sure given the opportunity. The 335d only came as auto or I'd never switched and though I don't miss the manual in traffic, it's so much more engaging to drive a proper manual than an auto box. Paddles or no paddles. IMHO! If I get an M2 and manual is an option I'm taking it I think..
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02-06-2013, 09:14 AM | #15 |
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Unless at a complete stop I dont often see the need for first gear.
The gearing is too low, 2nd tends to hook up much better from 5mph upwards. I want an M135i but have a wedding/honeymoon to pay for. I'd get the auto without question... Better fuel economy and quicker - no brainer. I would miss heel and toeing though.
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02-06-2013, 09:18 AM | #16 |
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Tsk. Would never have thought it of you, db.
BTT - Great car the M135i.
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02-07-2013, 01:51 AM | #17 | |
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Mine arrives in March. Sold my Z4M (scratched the Cabriolet itch) and will trade the X5 (don't need so much space anymore) and wanted something both practical and relatively economical with handling and performance. The M135i is slightly faster than the Z4M with loads more down low torque and switchable comfort cruising or back road hooning modes. Your spec is almost identical to my 'alternative'. I eventually ordered whatever the blue colour is with black seats.....but Alpine White with red upholstery was a close 2nd. Just thought the UK's filthy roads would be a real pain with white. As a dyed-in-the wool manual fan, I've had several ATs and they've always been a major dissapointment, making the car feel dull and slow(er) vs. MT and interfering with driver interaction (picking the wrong place to downshift, not downshifting soon enough etc. yet never satisfying in their manual mode due to sluggish, slurred shifts). The MT on the M135i is a peach. Smooth, beautifully weighted shifts, no baulkiness and perfectly positioned shifter. I had absolutely no problem with 1st to 2nd, or the usually more problematic 2nd to 1st. The latter downshift always needs some revs, due to low ratio/engine braking, unless you want to lock your rears momentarily or ride the clutch. Can't remember many roads where I need 1st and coming into roundabouts, 1st is only required for <5mph, in which case the downshift is by definition speed/rev matched. Having said all that, I ordered the 8 speed AT. I tried both boxes and loved the 8spd's manual mode, with almost instant shifts and hook up. Late braking with 2 instant down shifts, all while keeping both hands on the wheel put back the driving fun and the extra acceleration and economy and lower CO2 swayed the argument in the ATs favour. The box is probably as good as AT is going to get any time soon, so for me, this will be a proper test of my AT vs. MT preference. As a fan of good music on the move I'm particularly looking forward to the upgraded HK ICE. My last 4 cars have had BMW's 'Business' upgrade, which was OK in the LCI 330d but pretty crappy in the others. This is one area I may still go for an afternarket improvement, depending on how good the HK really is. The other big temptation is Bird's Quaffe LSD. As a £1,600 upgrade its likely to make major improvements in traction, on-limit handling and the transition into overseer. Those improvements will no doubt translate into a more relaxing, more drivable car when roads get twisty or damp. All in all I'm really looking forward to getting the M135i which hopefully ticks all the boxes it promises to on paper. Last edited by SteveC; 02-07-2013 at 02:01 AM.. |
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02-07-2013, 02:09 AM | #18 |
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Excellent, with all that money saved going with manual, a nice LSD!
The auto is really really nice and it was giving me sleepless nights trying to decide, I just think personally the novelty would have worn off after a few months. Don't know about anyone else but i've still only seen one on the road (Well, not even that. It was in a car park!). Roll on May! :-)
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02-07-2013, 04:32 AM | #19 | |
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In real life, considering it is a 300hp 3litre turbo, not exactly meant for pottering, you are unlikely to get more MPG from the auto because they are less efficient / more losses (much heavier too) than a manual. just physics. Any kind of 'normal' driving, for the sports car it is, will put you back in the low MPG brackets, most likely worse than the manual. DCT or Torque converter box can never be more efficient than a manual box, but they are able to fudge the test. Last edited by doughboy; 02-07-2013 at 04:39 AM.. |
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02-07-2013, 04:35 AM | #20 |
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Congratulations chaps, I really really want to like these as the engine is an absolute peach and package is almost perfect for my family wagon requirements, unfortunately I just can't get on with the looks. Is there anything that can be done to improve this a bit, especially the front end?
As for the auto vs manual argument, my current car is an auto and while it's a very good auto (with paddles) I still find it feels a little sluggish and removes some of the fun\interaction. I've not tried the new 8 speed auto and would really like to give it a chance but I suspect my next car will be a manual. |
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02-07-2013, 04:41 AM | #22 |
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It's amazing what the change in exhaust resonator / accoustics does for the M135i, the rorty noise in the cabin just changes the whole feel of the car.
Agree the looks are a bit marmite though, especially the pedestrian proof nose. |
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