Smoke out of exhaust with RB turbo's

dzenno · 07-27-2011, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by vasillalov

They may be in spec, but BSH is still junk for not collecting all the oil fumes.

Exactly why my vote goes to the AR "driver's side mount"

Joshboody · 07-27-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by vasillalov

They may be in spec, but BSH is still junk for not collecting all the oil fumes.

Vas you seem to be a very emotional person. Like others have stated, you cannot collect 100% of the vapors and there will be a trade off between collection and restriction. Oil in the outlet does not mean much.

I uninstalled my BSH just because I don't think the possible restriction is worth it when you combine manifold venting and EGR effect... valves will continue to get coated and a thin layer of oil in your intake... big deal... I'll clean it when I clean my valves. Most of it seems to collect after the IC anyway, so not bad to clean.

dzenno · 07-27-2011, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshboody

Vas you seem to be a very emotional person. Like others have stated, you cannot collect 100% of the vapors and there will be a trade off between collection and restriction. Oil in the outlet does not mean much.

I uninstalled my BSH just because I don't think the possible restriction is worth it when you combine manifold venting and EGR effect... valves will continue to get coated and a thin layer of oil in your intake... big deal... I'll clean it when I clean my valves. Most of it seems to collect after the IC anyway, so not bad to clean.

Josh, really a non issue anymore...both BSH and AR OCCs are within spec...AR is better as its in a cooler spot and is less restrictive based on data acquired in testing...

Joshboody · 07-27-2011, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dzenno

Josh, really a non issue anymore...both BSH and AR OCCs are within spec...AR is better as its in a cooler spot and is less restrictive based on data acquired in testing...

whoever purchased my BSH will be happy to hear

But I like not having one... less clutter... win/win

tibra1 · 07-27-2011, 10:44 AM

How is the AR can less restrictive when it use a filtering media..the BSH is an OPEN can..now your gonna tell me you have tons of data from your 200 page thread on this..right?

No way can this be so..its like saying..an air filter (any) is less restrictive than no filter at all.

dzenno · 07-27-2011, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tibra1

How is the AR can less restrictive when it use a filtering media..the BSH is an OPEN can..now your gonna tell me you have tons of data from your 200 page thread on this..right?

No way can this be so..its like saying..an air filter (any) is less restrictive than no filter at all.

dude you're so funny, and not sometimes, ALL the time!!...enjoy your BSH...holy F*CK!

tibra1 · 07-27-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dzenno

dude you're so funny, and not sometimes, ALL the time!!...enjoy your BSH...holy F*CK!

So no logical answer?..I dont see whats funny..Im interested to know how you come to this conclusion..if u wanna make jokes..well thats your perrogative..

dzenno · 07-27-2011, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tibra1

So no logical answer?..I dont see whats funny..Im interested to know how you come to this conclusion..if u wanna make jokes..well thats your perrogative..

you didn't ask you question either logically or politely...you're always so f* arrogant and aggresive...chill the f* out lol how old are you?

tibra1 · 07-27-2011, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dzenno

you didn't ask you question either logically or politely...you're always so f* arrogant and aggresive...chill the f* out lol how old are you?

LOL..well you are entitled to your opinion..I see I wont get an answer here so I will move on..best of luck on your endeavors..

Funkmob · 07-27-2011, 11:30 AM

Guys chill down

Im smoke free now that i removed the BSH can , it might fall within spec but it just isn't made for high boosting upgraded turbo's.

My smoke problem arised when i cranked the boost to 18.5psi on the RB's. It stopped when i threw the BSH can out.

I will search for a non restrictive oil separator and mount it in the spot like big tom did.

Joshboody · 07-27-2011, 12:26 PM

So what's the theory on the exhaust smoke... can't be through the intake... past the rings due to restriction of OCC??

scottp999 · 07-27-2011, 01:31 PM

What about this catch can? http://store.42draftdesigns.com/Ulti...an_p_288.html#

dzenno · 07-27-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by scottp999

What about this catch can? http://store.42draftdesigns.com/Ulti...an_p_288.html#

I've emailed them and asked them to tell me more on the 2 cans and invited them to participate in the review...we'll see..

scottp999 · 07-27-2011, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dzenno

I've emailed them and asked them to tell me more on the 2 cans and invited them to participate in the review...we'll see..

Great Dzenno. Hoping to have RB's on in about a month and I currently have a BSH installed.

Syndicategt · 07-27-2011, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by scottp999

Great Dzenno. Hoping to have RB's on in about a month and I currently have a BSH installed.

Yea my RB's are going on in a week or 2. I'll be removing my BSH OCC and going back to stock until there is a solid product on the market.

bahn stormer · 07-27-2011, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tibra1

How is the AR can less restrictive when it use a filtering media..the BSH is an OPEN can..now your gonna tell me you have tons of data from your 200 page thread on this..right?

No way can this be so..its like saying..an air filter (any) is less restrictive than no filter at all.

How it is constructed or how we think it is constructed really has no bearing at this point with regard to the restriction because Dzenno has measured the actual affect on crankcase pressure for both the AR and BSH OCCs.

tibra1 · 07-27-2011, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bahn stormer

How it is constructed or how we think it is constructed really has no bearing at this point with regard to the restriction because Dzenno has measured the actual affect on crankcase pressure for both the AR and BSH OCCs.

Oh he measured it??..well than thats all the proof anyone needs to argue that the BSH is restrictive and all
must be right in the world

Seriously since you guys have all made up your minds than an OCC is not for you I have no place here..but I appreciate the answer back..thx

tibra1 out.

drfrink24 · 07-27-2011, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tibra1

Oh he measured it??..well than thats all the proof anyone needs to argue that the BSH is restrictive and all
must be right in the world

Seriously since you guys have all made up your minds than an OCC is not for you I have no place here..but I appreciate the answer back..thx

tibra1 out.

Yes, we made up our minds based on empirical data (provided by tireless work from dzenno), what data can you cite that supports your choice? Should your data prove to contradict the other data we've been provided, then we all can learn more and go forward with more facts based discussion about the BSH OCC.

tibra1 · 07-27-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by drfrink24

Yes, we made up our minds based on empirical data (provided by tireless work from dzenno), what data can you cite that supports your choice? Should your data prove to contradict the other data we've been provided, then we all can learn more and go forward with more facts based discussion about the BSH OCC.

None..i just see the oil accumulate in the can that would otherwise be sucked into the intake and intercooler..good enuff for me

I dont data log..I drive instead..enjoy the PCV saga

dzenno · 07-27-2011, 07:09 PM

tibra that's it I'm sending Chuck Norris your way LOL

tibra1 · 07-27-2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dzenno

tibra that's it I'm sending Chuck Norris your way LOL

Im trying to bow out of this thread but some wont let me..lol.

Seriously Dzenno i know you have done alot of work w this and applaude your efforts. we just have different agendas w these cars..and Im ok w that..

Big Tom · 07-28-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Funkmob

Guys chill down

Im smoke free now that i removed the BSH can , it might fall within spec but it just isn't made for high boosting upgraded turbo's.

My smoke problem arised when i cranked the boost to 18.5psi on the RB's. It stopped when i threw the BSH can out.

I will search for a non restrictive oil separator and mount it in the spot like big tom did.

Sweet!

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Funkmob First Lieutenant 22 Rep 306 Posts Drives: 335i E92 space grey Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Belgium iTrader: (0)	Guys chill down Im smoke free now that i removed the BSH can , it might fall within spec but it just isn't made for high boosting upgraded turbo's. My smoke problem arised when i cranked the boost to 18.5psi on the RB's. It stopped when i threw the BSH can out. I will search for a non restrictive oil separator and mount it in the spot like big tom did. __________________ 335I AT 2007. Vishnu V5 / UR CAI / HPF Intercooler / ER Charge pipe / Synapse BOV / Macht Shnell dp's / Vanguard catless exhaust / BSH occ / Labonte S4 Meth injection / Quiafe LSD / Full M3 suspension parts / Bilstein PSS10 / EBC brakes and lines / RB turbo's
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